OrphanCrow

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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

  by the girl next door in

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  gnd: Copyright is utilized in any way the copyright holder wishes.

  No. You have to establish copyright first. I am saying that their material doesn't meet the standard of what can be copyrighted.

  Some things do not have any protection, or very little under intellectual property law. Just because you generated or made something doesn't mean that you can put it out there in public space and ask for protection under any of the intellectual property laws.

  Copyright protection is only one part of intellectual property law and The WTS material does not meet the standard to be considered as qualifying for such protection.
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

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  GND: Then tell me Orphan Cow, why is Watchtower successful in shutting down websites, youtubes, etc. of their choosing due to copyright violations?

  Maybe because nobody has taken them on yet with the right arguments. They have a lot of squawky lawyers and paper mountains at their disposal. And money.

  And also because much of copyright laws and intellectual property rights have been challenged at a rapid pace right along with the speed of the technological advances during the past couple decades. The legal world is trying to catch up.

  *Oh...and that is "Crow", by the way. You must have me mixed up with someone else. Sokay...that happens. :)
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

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  OrphanCrow

  And...as far as "harm" goes...well, geez, I guess ya shouldn't have put it in print in the first place, huh?
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

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  Damn. No. I do not believe that the WTS has protection under the copyright laws.

  Their publications don't stand the sniff test.

  Firstly, their indoctrination propaganda is "freely" distributed to the public.

  Secondly, so are the elder's manuals and letters, etc. A select group of "the public", but the public, nonetheless.

  Thirdly, an underlying principle that is part of the establishment of the copyright laws is such that the protection of ownership of "creative material" would stimulate more creative projects/endeavours. That is one of the primary purposes of copyright.

  Fourthly, the publication of "fact" is not creative.

  Fifthly, the ARC was not blocked from publishing the material to the public.

  The WTS material doesn't meet the standard on any of what copyright law requires or is intended to protect.

  The WTS is trying to set their own rules and call it "copyright law protection" when in reality, they are dealing with security breaches within their own organization. That's all. That kind of information - secret corportae stuff - is supposed to be kept secure if they don't want people to get their hands on it. That is why it is "secret". They can't legally protect it any other way.
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

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  OrphanCrow

  I still think of it as a security breach rather than a copyright violation. I would argue that if I ever faced a judge on the matter.

  The "secret" WTS material is a publication of "facts", and I am not convinced that a "creative license" applies to it.
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  Watchtower purchases CoC copyright for undisclosed amount!

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  Simon: It would still be breaking copyright law to pirate copies of the WTS secret elders manual..

  Again...I question if it is illegal to "pirate" the elders' manual.

  Is not the elders' manual readily available for public download on the ARC site? And no restrictions on its distribution?

  And many other WTS documents and publications as well? Ones that the WTS try to hold hostage and secret under their "copyright" rights?

  I don't think that redistributing WTS published material is "pirating". Not at all.
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  TD: One of the more common reasons the Pay Attention publication proliferates illegally...

  I would even question if it actually is illegal to distribute that publication. It was not produced for economic gain, it was just restricted in its distribution.

  Distributing this "free" book is only increasing its exposure, not threatening its genuineness or hurting the WTS in a real, economic way. Distributing their material does not really violate copyright laws.

  All that sharing the WTS material does, is allow everybody to see what they already distribute - secretly.

  Sort of like getting your hands on the kind of WTS material that the ARC subpoenaed. And gave to the public, like it should be.
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  Heh...isn't there something in the bibble book about this? How you have to use the "tools of the Master's house" to tear down the Master's house?

  That is how I view the appropriation of the drivel that spews forth from the Tower. Tools for dismantling.
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  Landy: So the copyright law only applies if we agree with the organistion the copyright belongs to? If we don't agree with them or don't like them then all bets are off?

  Yup. It's like learning how to not take shit from a bully. Sandbox rules.
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  Oubilette: Have you never heard of civil disobedience?

  Yes. I agree.

  I see it more of an act violating the WTS' secrecy "rules" than a violation of copyright laws.

  Copyright laws are there to protect creativity. For example, a telephone book isn't protected. No creativity there. And facts aren't protected. Oh shit...I just realized something. The WTS is one of the most creative entities out there!

  Eh...regardless. Civil disobedience against authority structures and the instutionalized structures such as the WTS is built into our democratic process. Each and every individual is viewed on the same legal status as a corporation. The democratic process is supposed to put us on a level playing field but it rarely does.

  *to add: if the OP were true, and it was revealed that the WTS had bought the rights and tried to eliminate or alter the book, I would be copying it like crazy and flooding the world with it. But...that is not the case here...