Posts by OrphanCrow

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

James: Adolf Lorenz in the 20th central in Vienna came up with the methods for treating patients
with non invasive techniques. His medical practice was a consequence of his severe allergy
to carbolic acid routinely used in operating rooms of the era. His condition forced him to become
a dry surgeon.

Yeah...today's bloodless people like to say that Lorenz is their 'father". How silly.

Lorenz's methods were practiced by the chiropractors - bloodless surgery was promoted by people like George Starr White as a form of "deep massage". Early bloodless medicine had nothing at all to do with the transfusing of blood. Nothing at all.

Bloodless surgery practiced by Lorenz was totally non-invasive. The methods that Lorenz used were popular with the Watchtower "doctors" - the osteopaths and the chiros. Bloodless surgery (deep massage) was used by the "doctors" who were anti-AMA. It was also the method that Dr. Felix Kersten used on Heinrich Himmler.

Modern bloodless surgery is so far removed from what Lorenz was practicing that it is strange that the new methods still carry that old chiro term from the early 1900s.

Today's "bloodless" methods are VERY invasive - in fact, far more invasive than traditional methods of surgery that use blood transfusions.

The JWs did NOT get this one right. I disagree.

The Watchtower Society has been relentless in the promotion of yet another one of their medical marvels - in years past it was the radium belt and the electric diagnostic machine and whatever quack cure that the chiros and osteos were promoting...in today's world it is the bloodless technology that is the Watchtower "baby".

They got it right? Well, if you want to buy into the bloodless cult propaganda...for myself, I don't buy into it. The WTS has NEVER got anything right. Why would their blood stance be right? Nope, I don't buy into the fear mongering and inaccurate medical research that the WTS has promoted. Not for one single minute. Not one second.

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

steve2: Also, the article does not identify Dr Sherri Ozawa as a Jehovah's Witness. BTW, OrphanCrow, Sherri Ozawa likely has a doctorate in nursing and is not a medical doctor,

No, she is not identified as a Jehovah's Witness in the article.

And the last I checked, Sherry does NOT have a doctorate in nursing. That is a new title. I am sure that she will claim that it is a journalist error...but, I have noticed that the bloodless WT drones have a nasty little habit of either hiding their lack of education or they make it up. My guess is that it is a deliberate exaggeration.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherri-ozawa-6102b710

Sherry has been VERY active in the blood management world for years now and it is common knowledge that she is a Jehovah's Witness, even if she rarely (never) self-identifies as one and it is never stated as a conflict of interest. And, we all know that being a JW has HUGE implications on how a person would carry out their professional responsibilities.

The research they cite comparing survival rates in intensive care (95% for Witnesses with bloodless surgery vs 89% for nonWitnesses who have transfusions) invite questions.

Does it ever invite questions. That research is hung out all the time whenever the bloodless people want to promote their quack medicine. The holes in that research are so big that you could drop a whole lab full of rats through it.

I note the article states that the child needed boosting of blood count prior to the bloodless surgery. Cool.

Yeah. The infant needed blood boosting - days, weeks? not sure....but, regardless...all that prep work isn't taken into consideration when they promote their quack brand of medicine.

The bloodless people just pull out that old research out of their asses whenever they want to say how good their noblood treatment is and they don't count how long and expensive it is to get their lab rats ready for surgery. They just talk about how they leave the hospital earlier after surgery. No follow up stats...they just get out a day or so earlier.

Incredibly irresponsible and lazy research. And bad media coverage - they just publish whatever 'feel good' article they are fed. And we know who does the media feeding on this.

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I was critically ill for a long time...

by The Rebel in

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but thanks to the excellent health care on this site iam on the road to recovery, and can now fully appreciate what a gloriouse thing it is to be free from the w.t and savor approaching spring in all its beauty, ....however i am not sure i am ready for debating on all the boards many heavy threads about gods existence and evolution .. anybody else feal the same?

" tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free, tis a gift to wake up and breath the morning air, and tis a gift to each day walk on the path we want to be....." .

the rebel.

OrphanCrow

TorninTwo:
But we should respect the stages of waking up that some might not be ready, or ever be ready, to dissect all faith in God Richard Dawkins s style.

Any statement that begins with "should" is problematic. And especially when it also contains the word "we"'.

Respect goes both ways - those who you are referring to who "dissect faith in God Richard Dawkins style" deserve just as much respect as anyone else.

They, too, are in their own personal "stage of waking up". They too deserve respect. Each and every person is in the place they are supposed to be and it is not fair to say that some should change where they are, and how they speak, just because it makes others uncomfortable.

TheRebel: ...however I am not sure I am ready for debating on all the boards many heavy threads about Gods existence and Evolution .

That is what is nice about hanging out here...you don't have to debate anything you don't want to.

Hang out where you want to....you don't have to jump in the water. Just watching and listening is cool, too.

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

James, this link works better:

http://ktla.com/2016/02/23/dr-rahul-jandial-and-bloodless-surgery/

Humph...something is happening in the bloodless world...the outside bloodless propaganda has been getting amped up recently....

Whenever the media yaps about bloodless options, there has been something going on behind the scenes...wonder what it is this time.

The Watchtower bloodless media feed has sure been busy lately. Maybe there are some court cases going on behind the curtain.

CBS just put out a bloodless fluff piece* as well:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctors-explore-potential-benefits-of-bloodless-surgery/

*Heh...Sherry Ozawa is a doctor now!?!!! Wow...I wonder if that was an inside Watchtower promotion or if she actually got her doctorate. It seems like the Watchtower degree requirements have a different scale than most.

Nice gig if ya can land it....from JW publisher to JW Registered Nurse, and now....a JW doctor! And who said that education was discouraged in the WT?....pffft. Not if ya know the right people. Way to go Sherry!!!! And a JW woman, to boot! Wow....look at 'er go...a fine upstanding role model she is for all you young JW women.

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People's Pulpit?

by bcpenney in

i believe there was a magazine or newspaper published during russell's time called the people's pulpit.

i'm specifically trying to locate vol.

can anyone point me in the right direction?

OrphanCrow

Atlantis: People have always wondered why they didn't see that article in English here in the US. When it comes to the Watchtower Society, you never know what is going to be in print, or what they are going to believe tomorrow, or what statement their (new light) will cause them to say.

And... the German Watchtower articles in WW1 that listed the Bible Students who had died fighting for Germany. And the articles encouraging the Bible Student women to write to the Bible Students who were at the front wearing German uniforms during the first world war.

Politically neutral? Ha!

Conscientious objectors? Ha!

That would depend on which Watchtower you read at the time - the 'Merican one or the German one.

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

OrphanCrow

Ah...

Okay...carry on.

:)

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

OrphanCrow

Ilove: So their growth per year has been around 5.4% FOR 105 YEARS!

Well, not really.

The average inflation rate for the past 100 years has been about 3.22%.

That will eat up some of that 'growth'.

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

steve2: I do not get impression the Center is run by JWs. (I appreciate you have done your homework - so please don't view my conclusions as questioning your investigations in this regard - more like seeking clarification. Thanks.)

No problem...and I am not surprised. That is exactly what I am getting at when I make these posts that link Watchtower people (JW "professionals") with the bloodless treatment that is touted so highly in the news media. And as the preferred treatment within the pages of Watchtower literature.

The bloodless treatments, bloodless clinics, blood management...are ALL operated by Jehovah's Witnesses. Watchtower trained people.

When I first started looking at the "whats" and the "whys" and all of that in connection with "bloodless medicine" and all of its morphs etc....I thought that it meant something in the medical world not connected to the Watchtower Society.

The Watchtower Society's fingerprints are all over the bloodless world, from start to finish, and from bottom up, inside and out.

Ilove: OMFG.
That's all I can say.
OMFG.
I want to puke...

I apologize. I thought you were being deliberately obtuse. Sorry for being short.

Yes. I think you got it now.

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

IloveTTATT: I guess I didn't understand the point of your whole post then.

I guess you didn't. Let me spell it out for you.

The bloodless clinics in the States have been established by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The bloodless clinics are operated by Jehovah's Witnesses.

Bloodless surgery and blood management ARE the Jehovah's Witnesses. In other words...the WATCHTOWER IS bloodless medicine. Bloodless medicine IS the WATCHTOWER.

So...when you read all those news articles extolling the virtues of bloodless surgery and all that...saying how wonderful and how fantastic bloodless surgery and blood management is...always remember that you are reading Watchtower propaganda.

Bloodless medical clinics are owned, controlled, and operated by Watchtower drones.

So...what it is that I am saying...

...is that there is no such thing as "the doctors" and "the medical profession" existing separately when it comes to the JWs and bloodless clinics. The "medical profession" does not exist 'out there' and the JWs in opposition to it. If a JW chooses to utilize medical treatment from a "bloodless clinic", then they are choosing to be treated by the Watchtower itself.

There is no separation between "the medical profession" and the "JWs" when you are speaking of bloodless treatment. The Watchtower IS bloodless treatment. They are one and the very same f***ing thing.

And...I haven't even commented on the quality of care to be expected from people who really should be selling airline tickets instead of making life and death medical decisions for people. I don't think I should have to spell that one out, too, do I?

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

So... You're saying, essentially, that the hospital staff was incompetent, and that perhaps in a better hospital her outcome would have been better, but, on the other hand, it was mainly her fault because she chose that course.

Excuse me???

You got that from what I posted???

Huh?