Posts by OrphanCrow

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The Divine Son of God, God Incarnate, Lord, Redeemer, and Saviour of the World

by Doug Mason in

before jesus was born or even if he had never existed—another human being was already proclaimed son of god and, indeed, god incarnate within the same first common-era century and within the same mediterranean world.

in fact, almost all the sacred terms and solemn titles that we might think of as christian creations or even pauline inventions were already associated with caesar augustus, the first undisputed ruler of the roman empire, from 31 bce to 14 ce.. augustus was divine, son of god, god, and god from god.

he was lord, liberator, redeemer, and savior of the world—not just of italy or the mediterranean, mind you, but of the entire inhabited earth.

OrphanCrow

Thanks for all the information on this thread. It's great.

Once a person starts exposing the political climate of the time around when Jesus was supposed to have been alive, it is easy to see that the New Testament was simply a justification for monarchy. The New Testament was, and is, used as a political tool.

The Christian Church, combined with the myth of Jesus - a king to rule the earth forever - was a political movement. And it still is.

Christians, even though they may not realize it, promote monarchy as the preferred mode of rule.

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Richmond, Virginia Convention Lowlights: 11-year-old Baptized / Porn Seen Accidentally

by Funchback in

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8dec9e79-b243-5265-80ee-fee138922f80.html.

at this rate, soon they'll let infants get dipped:.

lindsey jackson, 14, of king george county was among the 33 people who were baptized saturday during the first convention of jehovah’s witnesses of the summer at the richmond coliseum.

OrphanCrow

marlborobarbie: And btw, whyyyy would anyone let a youngin talk about this kind of stuff in front of other youngins? There were hundreds of kids there too little to understand what it is...oooh boy.

Exactly. Lol! It reminds of something that happened when I was young and exploring different religions. I attended a born-again church for a few months and one Sunday they had a visiting pastor. He unexpectedly gave the sermon on the topic of the dangers of masturbation.

The church members were horrified. Horrified! Lol! They talked about it for days afterwards - every time I ran into someone on the street or wherever, that had heard the sermon, they expressed their dissatisfaction. They called it the Big M word. The regular pastor apologized the next Sunday.

I thought it was funny - it was nothing out of the ordinary as far as I was concerned - the JWs talk about masturbation and sex all the time from the platform. But not the born agains!

I think it is hilarious that the masturbation bit is the part that was selected to insert into a news article about the convention.

But, how horribly embarrassing for the teen. And the young people attending. A totally inappropriate subject to assign to a young person to talk about in front of hundreds of people - and then have it reported on in the newspaper.

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Richmond, Virginia Convention Lowlights: 11-year-old Baptized / Porn Seen Accidentally

by Funchback in

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8dec9e79-b243-5265-80ee-fee138922f80.html.

at this rate, soon they'll let infants get dipped:.

lindsey jackson, 14, of king george county was among the 33 people who were baptized saturday during the first convention of jehovah’s witnesses of the summer at the richmond coliseum.

OrphanCrow

One teen discussed overcoming the accidental sight of pornography and how his parents and Jehovah helped him through it.

Oh I am sure the parents helped him through it. The dad made a mental note to clear his browsing history so that the kid wouldn't accidentally have daddy's search history pop up when he was innocently trying to find the latest Caleb video.

Yeah...daddy better make sure those accidents don't happen again.

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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?

by Believer in

i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.

so here are my comments.

after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.

OrphanCrow

Thanks for the background on Dr. Alexander, DJS.

Here is an article that debunks Alexander's claims and exposes him as a liar - he made claims in his book that are simply not true.

http://www.skeptic.com/insight/proof-of-heaven/

The article concludes with this:

So, if we add all this up, we have a neurosurgeon who makes fundamental mistakes about how the brain works, because he is not a neuroscientist or neurophysiologist—and that is a BIG difference. On top of this, he has a history of falsifying records and was in trouble with numerous malpractice suits, so his medical career was effectively over. And when Dittrich checked with other people, many important details in the book turned out clearly false.
This does not seem to trouble Alexander or any of his followers who want to believe him. They, like so many others, are willing to be duped out of their money for the book and make him rich, all while he tells them fairy stories to confirm their beliefs and make them feel good. It wouldn’t be the first time some religious figure separated people from their money—but perhaps the first time it was done by a neurosurgeon in a white lab coat.

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

OrphanCrow

TheWonderYou: They still think that in this - unwillingness to follow court orders - they are obeying God more than men.

But...but...whatever happened to "pay unto Caesar" and all that shit?

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Mark Sanderson Talk re Belgium visit

by Listener in

the degradation of the governing body members continues on.

mark sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from korea to munich to brussels, belgium on the day of the belgium terrorist attacks.he cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks.

in fact, he personally found god's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a kh dedication.he is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact branch's.

OrphanCrow

...aaaand...we were able to dedicate a NEW! Kingdom Hall complex...!!!!!

Yaya! Jehobah is really blessing us...buildings are soooo much more important than lives lost. We arez the good guys...we get property! Valuable property $$$$$$$$$

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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?

by Believer in

i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.

so here are my comments.

after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.

OrphanCrow

believer: ..........So that’s my take on the video.

Wow.

You missed the whole point of the video. You watched the same thing I did and came away with ways to justify your position rather than question it.

The video was designed for the viewer to question belief, not to justify belief.

And, I was disappointed. The video never did address the basic fundamental question:

"Why do you believe?"

Why is belief necessary? What is belief?

Belief is only necessary when there is no proof of something. Proof transforms the unknown into knowledge.

I value knowledge over belief. Belief requires a person to suspend their disbelief - to exist within a fantastical world. That is okay if I want to read or do something else for entertainment. Fiction books, movies, stories, etc. Sure...I will suspend my disbelief in order to engage with the experience. But, when the book closes or the movie is over, I am still here in the real world. I don't require belief to exist. I know I am here.

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: PS @ orphancrow... Fixed

Cool. It would be a shame if we had bird stereotyping happening around here...haha!

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

OrphanCrow

pssst...vidiot...I don't think I said that. Baldeagle did.

It is easy to get us birds mixed up...we all look the same to you, don't we? lol!

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

OrphanCrow

stuckinarut: As kairos perfectly said, THIS is why the "police" in riot gear were eagerly hunting down the "witnesses" in the bunker video!

I totally agree.

The purpose of the bunker video is to prepare JWs for the "authorities" rounding up the pedophiles on The List. The JWs will think they are being persecuted because they are JWs but the real reason the police will be coming is to arrest the elders who covered up the criminal rape of children.

Great Tribulation indeed.