Posts by OrphanCrow

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: But the Org referenced this fraudulant and falsely-credited document?

Well, that depends on how you define 'the org'.

The Org/WT didn't reference this article...at least, not directly, that I know of. This article is referenced by the blood management/bloodless people - it is used as a justification for not giving blood to JWs.

The material that the HLC uses to justify and legitimize noblood for JWs will use this article. The HLC and the blood management industry sleep in the same bed together.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: So, a medical puff piece ostensibly validating the JW stance on blood, and utilizing biased and less-than-ethical testing standards has been essentially disavowed by all three doctors who originally wrote it?

No.

The three doctors, who requested the retraction, did NOT originally write it. Of course they disavowed ownership...they didn't write it.

It was a fraudulent paper - authored by an Arab dude, SR El Azab. He stuck the names on his paper without permission. He also claimed that the research had ethical approval. It didn't.

This is an example of the kind of "evidence based research" that underpins the blood management industry. I suspect there is more research like this that has yet to be discovered as being fraudulent

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Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

by -Crossroads- in

jw
friends

hello jwn,.

to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

OrphanCrow

I was around in the 60s. Like everyone else, I remember transplants as being a big no-no. I am unclear as to the actual punishment that would have been administered by the WTS, but it was made very clear that accepting a transplant would result in the biggest punishment of all - NO Paradise for offenders. If you accepted a transplant, you wouldn't get to pet the lions.

I remember the Awake article that claimed that a transplant recipient would take on the personality of the donor - if a person got the heart of a murderer, for example, they would become a murderer as well. Where this misguided notion came from is anyone's guess...but it was the subject of research done by someone who is a prominent Jehovah's Witness - Lorenz Reibling - when he was studying in Germany back in the 60s.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/exjwsupport/conversations/topics/2717

In 1966, Lorenz completed an apprenticeship as Industriekaufmann at
Obpacher AG, a Weyerhauser-affiliated, Munich-based printing and
publishing plant. Lorenz subsequently graduated from Munchen-Kolleg and
attended Technische Universitat and Ludwigs-Maximilians Universitat,
earning degrees in Cybernetics and Psychology. His early research on
personality changes in heart transplant patients was conducted at
University Hospital Munich Grosshadern. After immigration to America he
received a MS from Boston College in Organizational Management with focus
on maximizing intellectual capital. He has attended and completed
specialized courses at MIT and Harvard on real estate related subjects.
Mr. Reibling's early career included employment with multinational
corporations such as Hoechst (Cassella Riedl), American Hospital Supply
Corporation, and CPI Cardiac Pacemakers, Inc. specializing in
sophisticated cardiac stimulation appliances.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

A bit more about why the study in the OP was retracted.

The study would not have passed an ethics board because the author, El Azab, did not get consent from the JW control group. How he set this study up was to mine data on historic cases of JW patients and then compare that fabricated 'control group' to another group of patients.

This is not ethical. The patients did not consent to their information being published. Even if their identifying information had been removed, ethical standards in research would be breached.

For more info on this, concerning a different case of retraction (not JW or blood related): http://retractionwatch.com/2016/06/30/patients-did-not-okay-publishing-brain-surgery-details/

I wonder how many more medical studies exist, in the journals to date and in the 'dead' archives...the studies not published, where JW patients have not given consent for their medical information to be used for research purposes...where their medical data has been mined in order to promote noblood alternative treatments. It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened many, many times

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Why isn't the Boston Globe doing a better job?

by Londo111 in

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/north/2016/06/29/who-are-jehovah-witnesses-who-live-among/z39a6dvdcp5lvufo7y7ozo/story.html.

why isn't the boston globe doing a better job covering this group?.

after all, the movie spotlight won an oscar about this paper and their groundbreaking journalism into the catholic church covering child abuse.

OrphanCrow

jws: Boston is a very Catholic town. According to PEW research, Catholics make up 20.8% of the population while Jehovah's Witnesses make up 0.8%.

Yeah...but the JWs who are there have a lot of influence

Reibling hangs his hat in Boston occasionally

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

jwleaks: I checked my university access across all medical fields and had all the same type of retraction notices to quite a number of articles, by a certain fraudulent doctor, highly revered by Watchtower in relation to blood management.

Are you speaking about Joachim Boldt?

Joyzabel posted a thread for me about him a while back (when I was having "issues" with posting)

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5664231412203520/wts-expert-on-blood

I thought I had posted more about Dr. Boldt's research here, but I must have missed doing so.

The substance that Boldt's research centered around was hydroxyethyl starch, used extensively by the bloodless/blood management world on JW patients. In fact, used so extensively that when the FDA put a warning on the use of it, the HLC (represented by their buddies in the SABM), petitioned the FDA to still allow them to use it - on JWs - for use in a study co-sponsored by the US defense department. For disaster readiness - trauma patients.

I have to do something right now...but I will dig up the material and post it here later. it concerns STORMACT, a committee formed right after 9/11. (can't find it on this forum...thought I had posted it here but maybe not...)

*I found it - on this thread here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700923452030976/watchtowers-medical-bible-hlc-handbook?page=1&size=10

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

I found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.

I wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world. This study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract

NOTICE OF RETRACTION The following article from Anaesthesia, ‘Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients’, by El Azab SR, Vrakking R, Verhage [sic] G and Rosseel PMJ, published online in Wiley Online Library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 March 2010 and in Volume 65, Number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (R Vrakking, G Verhaegh and PMJ Rosseel), the Journal Editor-in-Chief, Steve Yentis, and Blackwell Publishing Ltd. The retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the Amphia Hospital Ethics Committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed. In addition, the article was written and submitted without the knowledge or consent of R Vrakking, G Verhaegh and PMJ Rosseel. It has not been possible to obtain a response from the corresponding author SR El Azab.

Citing articles: https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr&cites=7899522481773395883

I posted this study to a website I follow - http://retractionwatch.com/

I am hoping it will come up on their radar and get mentioned by their writing and investigative staff.

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Richmond, Virginia Convention Lowlights: 11-year-old Baptized / Porn Seen Accidentally

by Funchback in

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8dec9e79-b243-5265-80ee-fee138922f80.html.

at this rate, soon they'll let infants get dipped:.

lindsey jackson, 14, of king george county was among the 33 people who were baptized saturday during the first convention of jehovah’s witnesses of the summer at the richmond coliseum.

OrphanCrow

millie: Yes Blondie, its such a problem with the men in the Org that the new guidelines are not to handle it judicially unless its "hard" porn.
So they finally had to make a judgement call on the severity of different types of porn!

So...what do the elders do now? Call a meeting to examine the porn to decide if it is "hard' porn or not? Ya know...just following orders. Gotta make sure what 'kind' of porn it is...gotta know how to 'handle' it

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"Server Error" in messages.

by marlborobarbie in

i've been trying to check my messages as i've been told i was sent a pm, but for some reason i can't.

the envelope reads "0", and when i click on it i get a black page that reads at the top left, "server error" and i have to back out.

this has been going on since monday, and i've tried to check my messages from the computer in a regular window (i use chrome), incognito window, and on my phone.

OrphanCrow

Marlboro, maybe you need to do something on your end.

Try clearing your cache and cookies and doing a re-boot...and sign back in again

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Breaking news: Subcontracted logistics in US and Canada, more layoffs coming...

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

more changes in us and canada operations.. new "arrangements" in jw.org to get more benefits and less costs.

logistics in canada and the united states will be managed by a new arrangement.. confidential: a famous supermarket and logistics company will take care of sending literature, keep an eye not getting your wt supplies together with a butter cream pot.. read well: wal **** logistics .... more layoffs.... headquarters in canada of this famous company only at 37 km away from watchtower canada..

OrphanCrow

Incognito: With many of the JW's in this area now downloading their study mags and other literature, how much will actually be shipped by truck?

They will need all the pamphlets and paraphernalia that goes along with their cart setups

You know...their charity work - spreading that Troof