Posts by OrphanCrow

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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube

by alanv in

the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.

of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

OrphanCrow

LUHE: It's up to government to 'control' (monitor and improve) religion.

Sure. Government can control religious practice. They can't control belief. Nobody can

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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube

by alanv in

the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.

of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

OrphanCrow

I wonder who gets to choose what religious people are permitted to believe

Nobody does.

Belief is separate from actions and speech. A belief does not give someone the right to disrespect other people's rights

There is no "permission" involved in what people think. But there is permission involved in what they say and do.

Bringing belief into the argument is silly - it detracts from what is possible - it is not possible to control belief

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What was the point of the bunker video

by Crazyguy in

they get caught by the bad guys at the end anyway, don't get what thier point is to the video?

of course i haven't seen it all they way either.

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To prepare the congregations/JWs for the authorities that will be showing up to arrest the elders for non-reporting of child abuse. And all the abusers on the 'secret list' that the WTS is so jealously guarding

The spin is Great Tribulation. Persecution

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Expanding number of DC/RC's

by DwainBowman in

according to my elder in law, by next year the number of dc/rc's will increase by 143. the size of conventions will get smaller.

the elder in law says the goal is to make them all have around 2,000 or so at each.

they are going to make more manuals detailing each job and it's responsibilities.

OrphanCrow

steve2: Conventions are money drainers...

I thought that the only money being drained was from the attendees' pockets. I have always been under the impression that conventions were big money making operations for the WTS

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: But the Org referenced this fraudulant and falsely-credited document?

Well, that depends on how you define 'the org'.

The Org/WT didn't reference this article...at least, not directly, that I know of. This article is referenced by the blood management/bloodless people - it is used as a justification for not giving blood to JWs.

The material that the HLC uses to justify and legitimize noblood for JWs will use this article. The HLC and the blood management industry sleep in the same bed together.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: So, a medical puff piece ostensibly validating the JW stance on blood, and utilizing biased and less-than-ethical testing standards has been essentially disavowed by all three doctors who originally wrote it?

No.

The three doctors, who requested the retraction, did NOT originally write it. Of course they disavowed ownership...they didn't write it.

It was a fraudulent paper - authored by an Arab dude, SR El Azab. He stuck the names on his paper without permission. He also claimed that the research had ethical approval. It didn't.

This is an example of the kind of "evidence based research" that underpins the blood management industry. I suspect there is more research like this that has yet to be discovered as being fraudulent

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Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

by -Crossroads- in

jw
friends

hello jwn,.

to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

OrphanCrow

I was around in the 60s. Like everyone else, I remember transplants as being a big no-no. I am unclear as to the actual punishment that would have been administered by the WTS, but it was made very clear that accepting a transplant would result in the biggest punishment of all - NO Paradise for offenders. If you accepted a transplant, you wouldn't get to pet the lions.

I remember the Awake article that claimed that a transplant recipient would take on the personality of the donor - if a person got the heart of a murderer, for example, they would become a murderer as well. Where this misguided notion came from is anyone's guess...but it was the subject of research done by someone who is a prominent Jehovah's Witness - Lorenz Reibling - when he was studying in Germany back in the 60s.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/exjwsupport/conversations/topics/2717

In 1966, Lorenz completed an apprenticeship as Industriekaufmann at
Obpacher AG, a Weyerhauser-affiliated, Munich-based printing and
publishing plant. Lorenz subsequently graduated from Munchen-Kolleg and
attended Technische Universitat and Ludwigs-Maximilians Universitat,
earning degrees in Cybernetics and Psychology. His early research on
personality changes in heart transplant patients was conducted at
University Hospital Munich Grosshadern. After immigration to America he
received a MS from Boston College in Organizational Management with focus
on maximizing intellectual capital. He has attended and completed
specialized courses at MIT and Harvard on real estate related subjects.
Mr. Reibling's early career included employment with multinational
corporations such as Hoechst (Cassella Riedl), American Hospital Supply
Corporation, and CPI Cardiac Pacemakers, Inc. specializing in
sophisticated cardiac stimulation appliances.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

A bit more about why the study in the OP was retracted.

The study would not have passed an ethics board because the author, El Azab, did not get consent from the JW control group. How he set this study up was to mine data on historic cases of JW patients and then compare that fabricated 'control group' to another group of patients.

This is not ethical. The patients did not consent to their information being published. Even if their identifying information had been removed, ethical standards in research would be breached.

For more info on this, concerning a different case of retraction (not JW or blood related): http://retractionwatch.com/2016/06/30/patients-did-not-okay-publishing-brain-surgery-details/

I wonder how many more medical studies exist, in the journals to date and in the 'dead' archives...the studies not published, where JW patients have not given consent for their medical information to be used for research purposes...where their medical data has been mined in order to promote noblood alternative treatments. It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened many, many times

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Why isn't the Boston Globe doing a better job?

by Londo111 in

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/north/2016/06/29/who-are-jehovah-witnesses-who-live-among/z39a6dvdcp5lvufo7y7ozo/story.html.

why isn't the boston globe doing a better job covering this group?.

after all, the movie spotlight won an oscar about this paper and their groundbreaking journalism into the catholic church covering child abuse.

OrphanCrow

jws: Boston is a very Catholic town. According to PEW research, Catholics make up 20.8% of the population while Jehovah's Witnesses make up 0.8%.

Yeah...but the JWs who are there have a lot of influence

Reibling hangs his hat in Boston occasionally

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

jwleaks: I checked my university access across all medical fields and had all the same type of retraction notices to quite a number of articles, by a certain fraudulent doctor, highly revered by Watchtower in relation to blood management.

Are you speaking about Joachim Boldt?

Joyzabel posted a thread for me about him a while back (when I was having "issues" with posting)

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5664231412203520/wts-expert-on-blood

I thought I had posted more about Dr. Boldt's research here, but I must have missed doing so.

The substance that Boldt's research centered around was hydroxyethyl starch, used extensively by the bloodless/blood management world on JW patients. In fact, used so extensively that when the FDA put a warning on the use of it, the HLC (represented by their buddies in the SABM), petitioned the FDA to still allow them to use it - on JWs - for use in a study co-sponsored by the US defense department. For disaster readiness - trauma patients.

I have to do something right now...but I will dig up the material and post it here later. it concerns STORMACT, a committee formed right after 9/11. (can't find it on this forum...thought I had posted it here but maybe not...)

*I found it - on this thread here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700923452030976/watchtowers-medical-bible-hlc-handbook?page=1&size=10