Posts by OrphanCrow

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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube

by alanv in

the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.

of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

OrphanCrow

LUNE: But disagree with: Belief is separate from actions and speech. Belief is linked to actions and speech. People who verbally or physically abuse gay people overwhelmingly believe that homosexuality is wrong, for example.

Linked, yes, but still separate from.

How a person acts out their beliefs is based upon individual choice, not upon belief itself. For example, someone who believes wholeheartedly in the wrongness of homosexuality does not neccessarily abuse gay people - the abusive behavior is a choice made by people who use violence as a solution to frustration. Violent behavior is a choice, not a belief

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpill: The question remains: How did she do it and how does it work?

She may not have done it, not really. You may have been the one to do it. Her interaction with you may have just allowed your brain to re-interpret the signals it was receiving.

Our brains are complex things...and they aren't always that accurate in interpreting what it happening inside our bodies, especially when it comes to pain. Pain perception is a personal and mysterious phenomena - we all experience pain differently and pain is something that eludes precise scientific measurement.

It is possible that you really didn't have anything at all wrong with your wrist - you may have been experiencing sympathetic pain or a psychological pain that your brain was perceiving as physical - and the mere suggestion that the pain could disappear was enough for your brain to interpret reality correctly.

Voila! Magical healing...only thing was...you did it yourself. Your brain may have been 're-set' so that it was able perceive what was really going on.

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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube

by alanv in

the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.

of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

OrphanCrow

LUHE: It's up to government to 'control' (monitor and improve) religion.

Sure. Government can control religious practice. They can't control belief. Nobody can

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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube

by alanv in

the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.

of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

OrphanCrow

I wonder who gets to choose what religious people are permitted to believe

Nobody does.

Belief is separate from actions and speech. A belief does not give someone the right to disrespect other people's rights

There is no "permission" involved in what people think. But there is permission involved in what they say and do.

Bringing belief into the argument is silly - it detracts from what is possible - it is not possible to control belief

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What was the point of the bunker video

by Crazyguy in

they get caught by the bad guys at the end anyway, don't get what thier point is to the video?

of course i haven't seen it all they way either.

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OrphanCrow

To prepare the congregations/JWs for the authorities that will be showing up to arrest the elders for non-reporting of child abuse. And all the abusers on the 'secret list' that the WTS is so jealously guarding

The spin is Great Tribulation. Persecution

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Expanding number of DC/RC's

by DwainBowman in

according to my elder in law, by next year the number of dc/rc's will increase by 143. the size of conventions will get smaller.

the elder in law says the goal is to make them all have around 2,000 or so at each.

they are going to make more manuals detailing each job and it's responsibilities.

OrphanCrow

steve2: Conventions are money drainers...

I thought that the only money being drained was from the attendees' pockets. I have always been under the impression that conventions were big money making operations for the WTS

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: But the Org referenced this fraudulant and falsely-credited document?

Well, that depends on how you define 'the org'.

The Org/WT didn't reference this article...at least, not directly, that I know of. This article is referenced by the blood management/bloodless people - it is used as a justification for not giving blood to JWs.

The material that the HLC uses to justify and legitimize noblood for JWs will use this article. The HLC and the blood management industry sleep in the same bed together.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: So, a medical puff piece ostensibly validating the JW stance on blood, and utilizing biased and less-than-ethical testing standards has been essentially disavowed by all three doctors who originally wrote it?

No.

The three doctors, who requested the retraction, did NOT originally write it. Of course they disavowed ownership...they didn't write it.

It was a fraudulent paper - authored by an Arab dude, SR El Azab. He stuck the names on his paper without permission. He also claimed that the research had ethical approval. It didn't.

This is an example of the kind of "evidence based research" that underpins the blood management industry. I suspect there is more research like this that has yet to be discovered as being fraudulent

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Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

by -Crossroads- in

jw
friends

hello jwn,.

to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

OrphanCrow

I was around in the 60s. Like everyone else, I remember transplants as being a big no-no. I am unclear as to the actual punishment that would have been administered by the WTS, but it was made very clear that accepting a transplant would result in the biggest punishment of all - NO Paradise for offenders. If you accepted a transplant, you wouldn't get to pet the lions.

I remember the Awake article that claimed that a transplant recipient would take on the personality of the donor - if a person got the heart of a murderer, for example, they would become a murderer as well. Where this misguided notion came from is anyone's guess...but it was the subject of research done by someone who is a prominent Jehovah's Witness - Lorenz Reibling - when he was studying in Germany back in the 60s.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/exjwsupport/conversations/topics/2717

In 1966, Lorenz completed an apprenticeship as Industriekaufmann at
Obpacher AG, a Weyerhauser-affiliated, Munich-based printing and
publishing plant. Lorenz subsequently graduated from Munchen-Kolleg and
attended Technische Universitat and Ludwigs-Maximilians Universitat,
earning degrees in Cybernetics and Psychology. His early research on
personality changes in heart transplant patients was conducted at
University Hospital Munich Grosshadern. After immigration to America he
received a MS from Boston College in Organizational Management with focus
on maximizing intellectual capital. He has attended and completed
specialized courses at MIT and Harvard on real estate related subjects.
Mr. Reibling's early career included employment with multinational
corporations such as Hoechst (Cassella Riedl), American Hospital Supply
Corporation, and CPI Cardiac Pacemakers, Inc. specializing in
sophisticated cardiac stimulation appliances.

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

A bit more about why the study in the OP was retracted.

The study would not have passed an ethics board because the author, El Azab, did not get consent from the JW control group. How he set this study up was to mine data on historic cases of JW patients and then compare that fabricated 'control group' to another group of patients.

This is not ethical. The patients did not consent to their information being published. Even if their identifying information had been removed, ethical standards in research would be breached.

For more info on this, concerning a different case of retraction (not JW or blood related): http://retractionwatch.com/2016/06/30/patients-did-not-okay-publishing-brain-surgery-details/

I wonder how many more medical studies exist, in the journals to date and in the 'dead' archives...the studies not published, where JW patients have not given consent for their medical information to be used for research purposes...where their medical data has been mined in order to promote noblood alternative treatments. It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened many, many times