this is what happened.
i had a sore tendon in my wrist.
i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.
justfine: The lady that I see says it doesn't matter if you believe her or not it works anyway.
So, does that mean she can heal anybody, even if they don't know she is doing it? If her healing does not require the belief of the person, what does it require? Touch? Could she touch someone who doesn't know she is healing them and have the same results?
this is what happened.
i had a sore tendon in my wrist.
i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.
Andres: Already studies are suggesting that our gut is a 'second brain'....sending many signals to our brains, and likely being a main source of emotions.
Our 'guts' aren't really a second brain at all. Gut reactions are the language of the right side of our brains - the side that has no language other than physical responses.
Our brain operates on two hemispheres and it is the left side of our brains that is responsible for language production. The right side of our brains has no language ability - it can only trigger physical reactions in response to pattern recognition. When we have that intuition that seems to come from our gut, it is really only the ride side of our brains trying to communicate that it has recognized something that we need to be aware of.
So, our guts don't have much to do with emotion - they are just the receptors of right brain communication. Unfortunately, the left side of the brain is a bit arrogant - it has been told, by the culture that has influenced its development, that it is the best, brightest, and most accurate. So...we usually ignore those gut feelings (right brain commmunication) or attribute them to the occult or some other easily put down phenomena like mental illness etc
i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.
this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.
notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.
darkspliver: Just because the correct ethical permissions were not obtained in this case, doesn't invalidate the results - ie it doesn't mean the study is wrong, and the retraction seems clear on that, there is no claim that the results are wrong?That is a moot point. The study did not have approval to be conducted. End of story. Results are irrelevant - it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
If a person still wanted to make such a case, and claim validity of results, it would undermine all scientific studies that require consent to proceed and it would take us right back to Nazi Germany. The Nuremberg Code was put in place for a reason
this is what happened.
i had a sore tendon in my wrist.
i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.
redpilltwice: If it's only a matter of self-deceit, then why can't we all "self-deceit" ourselves free of pain? Just manipulate the right emotions and voila?
We can :)
To a point...there is a point that the pain threshold becomes too high. And when there is a 'real' physical problem, it is far more difficult to deal with pain
What's the physical and psychological difference between the ones who have the "gift" and who don't?
I think it is important to remember that the "gift" only works if the recipient of that "gift" accepts it. That gift is ineffective without a willing participant to receive it
does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?
i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.
if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.
When it comes to discussing the JWs and stem cells, it is interesting to note that the technology that is used by the bloodless surgery crowd is the same technology that was developed in response to the discovery of stem cells.
Stem cells were discovered in the late 60s (yay Canada!) and the Haemonetics cell saver came onto the market right on the heels of that discovery. The original cell saver was just that - a cell saver for harvesting stem cells. That same technology was discovered to be handy for JWs undergoing surgery...and it was developed into what we now know as bloodless surgery.
The two fields of medical inquiry are intimately related - bloodless surgery and stem cell harvesting came about from the same technology
does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?
i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.
if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.
Dagney: Thank you OrphanCrow!
I can see that within the system this treatment can be used when certain criteria are met. That is really good to know.
You are most welcome, Dagney.
About that "certain criteria"...it appears like that criteria is pretty flexible and is often dependent upon (eh...almost always) what treatments are available in the area as well as how financially viable it would be to move the patient to a hospital that offers an alternative treatment.
If you look at the third study in the list I posted, you will see these words: "polymerized human hemoglobin (pyridoxylated)". What that substance is is Polyheme - an artificial blood product derived from human blood cells. The use of this product would have been arranged by the Hospital Liaison Committee.
This is the product that the WTS later said was unacceptable...the WTS had their sights set on a different product - Hemopure.
"Acceptable treatment" is not a consistent concept within the WT doctrine
this case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.
this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!
this case shows thier evil plain and simple.
I think that the only way that the top dogs at the WTS are going to be able to walk away from this one is if someone in charge (one of the 7 dwarves) has a twinge of conscience (or self-preservation, whichever is stronger) and decides it is in his best interest to throw the others under the bus.
It could be spun as "cleaning out gawd's organization" and "Satan getting into the flock" kind of stuff. Send a bunch of the top dogs off to prison and take control of the crumbled structure that is left. And build it all back up again with money that magically appears from jehovah
Whoever is on that secret, protected pedo list should be shaking in their socks right now. There are traitors everywhere and I don't think the 7 dwarves position is very solid right now. One of them or more of them might flip and do a Ray thing
does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?
i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.
if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.
A few of the published medical studies of Jehovah's Witness patients who have received stem cell treatments:
Erythropoietin permits high-dose chemotherapy with peripheral blood stem-cell transplant for a Jehovah's Witness (published1997)
Transfusion-free reduced-intensity conditioned allogeneic stem cell transplantation in a Jehovah's witness (published 2003)
Myeloablative therapy and bone marrow transplantation in Jehovah's Witnesses with malignancies: single center experience (published 2003)
The JW patients in the above studies would have had intervention from the Watchtower's HLC in order to get the treatment they did. Stem cell treatment is not forbidden - it has been arranged for JW patients many times by the WT men themselves
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i have just finished reading "the true believer: thoughts on the nature of mass movements" by eric hoffer.
the book was published in 1951, during the cold war, yet the theories and principles, that hoffer proposes to explain the phenomena of mass movements, are as relevant today as they were then.
(there are several threads on this forum that discuss aspects of hoffer's statements and theories.).
sbf: I don't think JWs are a mass movement though, are they?
The JW religion sees itself as a mass movement. We can see from the outside that they are simply a religious cult with delusions...but the delusion of being a mass movement is one that the JWs themselves readily adopt.
The WT has tried to create a mass movement and they have been somewhat successful in a limited way.
Yes...I would classify the WTS' religion as a "mass movement". It might not be a big mass movement, but one nonetheless.
