Posts by OrphanCrow

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

OrphanCrow

:)

Haha!

The author could have been reading some of the recent threads on this forum

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Medical doctor describes a JW death from noblood

by OrphanCrow in

most people will consider the noblood doctrine as being something that affects only the jws involved and they rarely consider the medical professionals who have to deal with them and the tremendous emotional and mental toll the medical professionals are forced to deal with when confronting senseless death.. the following is an excerpt from a medical doctor's blog: .

i do not worry much about being dead although the process of getting there gives me pause.

i have witnessed a few unpleasant deaths and i hope to never see the grim reaper coming my way.. one of the more awful and pointless deaths occurred early in my career.

OrphanCrow

Most people will consider the noblood doctrine as being something that affects only the JWs involved and they rarely consider the medical professionals who have to deal with them and the tremendous emotional and mental toll the medical professionals are forced to deal with when confronting senseless death.

The following is an excerpt from a medical doctor's blog:

I do not worry much about being dead although the process of getting there gives me pause. I have witnessed a few unpleasant deaths and I hope to never see the Grim Reaper coming my way.
One of the more awful and pointless deaths occurred early in my career. I had a patient with hepatitis C and cirrhosis. He had low platelets, low clotting factors (many of which are made by the liver), a previously undiagnosed clotting disorder, and a mouth full of bad teeth that were removed all at once when he acquired dental insurance.
Then he started to ooze blood from his extractions. An ooze that did not stop, it was a constant trickle of blood that would not clot. After several visits to his dentist he almost passed out and came to the emergency room. After 4 days he had bled out about half his blood volume, his haemoglobin had gone from 12 to 6. At this point we geared up for transfusions of red cells and clotting factors and he let us know that he was a Jehovah’s Witness and, no thank you, he would not accept any blood or blood products.
For the next week he continued to ooze despite all the interventions we could come up with to stop the bleeding and he remained adamant in his refusal of transfusions of any kind, despite the risk of death. At about a hemoglobin of 2 he had a large stroke and severe muscle pain from ischemia. At 1 he had a large heart attack and died. If you could rank deaths as pointless and horrific, this would be in my top 10. And I was struck at how nonplussed the family was, accepting this completely preventable death matter-of-factly.
The Jehovah’s Witness, at least by that name, started in 1931 and began the doctrine of no transfusions in 1944 based on two biblical verses, Genesis 9:4:
"But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."
and Leviticus 17:10-14:
"I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people.
For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”
‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,
because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off."
Sounds more like an admonition against steak tartar or vampirism to me. Jehovah’s Witnesses will accept some products derived from blood but not others, for example albumin. The fine points and the splitting of hairs of doctrine have always baffled me and perhaps are better explained by others.
Several years later we had a grand rounds on transfusion medicine. The head of the bloodless surgery program discussed ways to avoid transfusions and he kept using the word “respect” in relationship to Jehovah’s Witness avoidance of transfusions. Respect? “Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.” Nope. Understand? Yep. Accept? You bet. Part of what makes America a great place is we all get to do whatever dumb ass activity that suits us. But it is impossible to respect a belief that demands people to drip away their life’s blood.

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LEGO Makes Jehovah's Witness Publisher & Trolley Toys!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

forum
links

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/231020655862211703/.

i am taking orders for the limited collection that's guaranteed to bring you lots of enjoyment while you borrow your child's other toys pretending their your return visits.

if you missed out on the "gold girls" lego sets being sold after facebook and twitter made lego see the gold your in luck because the watchtower has assured the manufacture your going to sign a monthly pledge stating you can afford $7.77 for eight months.

OrphanCrow

your in luck because the Watchtower has assured the manufacture your going to sign a monthly pledge stating you can afford $7.77 for eight months.

Cool

The WT is making deals with toy manufacturers now. I wonder if they inked a kick back into their deal?

Watchtower University

Now there is an oxymoron

I detest the WT's practice of re-purposing words

So now little JW kids can grow up with the belief that the WT actually qualifies as a university. What crap

plus micro scale Watchtower Hotels

Huh. I wonder which hotel chain the WT made deals with for hotel toys...

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Woman's Purpose

by StopTheTears in

jw
friends

i'm probably going to say some things here that will disappoint many.

there are some that may look back over the years and say "man i really blew it" i'm not writing the following to scold for failures, but rather to help those who are young enough to put into practice what god wills for their life, and also to those of us who are in our middle years that still have time to change some things, in order to please god and find a peace that only being in his will can bring.

first let me say that god didn't create man for you.

OrphanCrow

*I can't help myself....

And God created woman. And she was good. And she had two arms, two legs, and three breasts. God asked woman what she would like to have changed about herself. And she asked for her middle breast to be removed. God removed her middle breast. And it was good. She stood there with her third breast in her hand and asked God what should be done with this useless boob?..... And God created Man.

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Blood card

by Inabunker in

hi new to forum and first post!

i have been reading posts on and off for years.

still fighting my "doubts" and struggling internally, my family is active and the wife knows nothing of my late night website reads here.

OrphanCrow

problemaddict: It's Canada specific. Not even sure if the HTC peeps in the US even know about it. Probably not.

This protocol has been in place at McGill Children's Hospital in Montreal for over a decade. Just think of how many children could have received life saving blood transfusions if all hospitals adopted this protocol or if the HLC made this provision known and available for all JW parents. But no...the WTS would rather see children die, families suffer, and get the media coverage when children are made the center of their ridiculous blood doctrine. The WTS would rather use sick children to promote their alternative brand of bloodless treatment than share information with all their members

McGill Children’s Hospital in Montreal has had such a protocol for about a decade, and found that it brought about a “real, significant drop” in conflicts, said Lori Seller, a clinical ethicist at the facility.
All the ethicists stress, as well, that some Jehovah’s Witnesses do not agree with the blood ban, but are anxious that their green light to transfusion be kept confidential.
“Some families are really more concerned about other Jehovah’s Witnesses finding out they consented to the blood transfusion,” said Ms. Seller.

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Blood card

by Inabunker in

hi new to forum and first post!

i have been reading posts on and off for years.

still fighting my "doubts" and struggling internally, my family is active and the wife knows nothing of my late night website reads here.

OrphanCrow

Inabunker: ...I remember reading the HLC can have parents sign a form to allow the hospital to give their children blood, under the doctors conscious?

Yes, you are correct.

In Canada, the HLC have arranged for JW parents to sign a "Letter of Understanding" that allows a hospital to administer blood transfusions to their children if necessary.

The letter of understanding can be found at this link here:

http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding

And a National Post article from 4 years ago about that same issue:

http://news.nationalpost.com/holy-post/without-fanfare-jehovahs-witnesses-quietly-soften-position-on-blood-transfusions

Note the tile of that article: "Without Fanfare..."

Without fanfare is right, it is done so quietly that the JW parents themselves don't know that the HLC will do this. It is a practice that is only done in certain locations to avoid legal issues - it does not mean that the WTS cares about the child's life - they care about avoiding a legal battle that they can't win

*to add...forgot to say hello. And welcome :)

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Just calling on our neighbours with a friendly message - Too Late! You Had Your Chance! You're All Gonna DIE!

by LifesNotOver in

... and by the way - love your house!

i've always wanted one just like it!.

feeling bitter this morning.

OrphanCrow

Lifesnotover: But "You and everyone you love and everyone in the whole world (except for us wonderful righteous JW's who are going to survive and live on a paradise earth) are shortly going to die a horrible terrible terrifying painful death at the hands of Jehovah God and be dead forever more. See, like in this picture! And you can't do anything about it now. Too bad, so sad!" How could anyone in their right mind think that was an okay thing to do?

Good point. They are not in their right mind.

The twist to all of this is that preaching is sold as "saving souls" when in actuality, saving other peoples' souls has dick all to do with it. The JWs preach to save their own skin. It is completely and wholly a self centered exercise. Saving others is just the excuse they use to fool themselves, thinking that it makes them altruistic but all it does is confirm their own importance

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Woman's Purpose

by StopTheTears in

jw
friends

i'm probably going to say some things here that will disappoint many.

there are some that may look back over the years and say "man i really blew it" i'm not writing the following to scold for failures, but rather to help those who are young enough to put into practice what god wills for their life, and also to those of us who are in our middle years that still have time to change some things, in order to please god and find a peace that only being in his will can bring.

first let me say that god didn't create man for you.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Are we being Poe's-Lawed?

Possibly

Or Stopthetears is just a JW trying to get their time in.

The other day I was walking in the park and almost stepped in a pile of dog shit. Stopthetears is like that...the dog owner who didn't take bags with them to pick up the shit. The dog owner who doesn't care who steps in their pile of shit

Check out STT's posting history...maybe they are a dog...(s)he takes a dump and walks away...hoping others will get shit on their shoes

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Mega-Church buys JW Assembly Hall property in Indianapolis

by OrphanCrow in

and yet another sale of watchtower property.... http://www.ibj.com/articles/59973-suburban-mega-church-expanding-into-downtown-with-big-purchase.

suburban megachurch expanding into downtown with big purchasea historic church building at the corner of 12th and delaware streets has been purchased by a large congregation expanding into the downtown area.. traders point christian church in whitestown is spending $2 million to renovate the 35,300-square-foot structure and should have it ready for worship early next year, rev.

james stanley said.. the neoclassical, limestone building has been used as a place of worship since it was built in 1912 and had been owned by the jehovah’s witnesses since 1978.. the location at 1201 n. delaware st., across from the benjamin harrison presidential site, will be the third for traders point.

OrphanCrow

Overlapping: Two kingdom halls in neighboring towns are churches now...

The last time I visited my home town, my mother told me that the congregation had been split and moved to two other towns. The Kingdom Hall is now a church - some kind of born-again and speaking in tongues kind of church

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Mega-Church buys JW Assembly Hall property in Indianapolis

by OrphanCrow in

and yet another sale of watchtower property.... http://www.ibj.com/articles/59973-suburban-mega-church-expanding-into-downtown-with-big-purchase.

suburban megachurch expanding into downtown with big purchasea historic church building at the corner of 12th and delaware streets has been purchased by a large congregation expanding into the downtown area.. traders point christian church in whitestown is spending $2 million to renovate the 35,300-square-foot structure and should have it ready for worship early next year, rev.

james stanley said.. the neoclassical, limestone building has been used as a place of worship since it was built in 1912 and had been owned by the jehovah’s witnesses since 1978.. the location at 1201 n. delaware st., across from the benjamin harrison presidential site, will be the third for traders point.

OrphanCrow

darkspliver: Well the QB doesn't quite say that...

Yeah...we are all familiar with the "not quite saying something".

The WT is always like that...they always talk out of the side of their mouth.

"oh...that doesn't mean what you think it does...we didn't really say exactly that..."