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  JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

  by OrphanCrow in

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  acute normovolemic hemodilution.

  hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

  there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

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  vidiot: Makes you wonder what Terry Johnson thought of his parents' views by the time he was older and learned the whole story.

  That has crossed my mind, too, vidiot.

  Terry would be 53 years old now. I would like to know if he is still alive.
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  JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

  by OrphanCrow in

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  acute normovolemic hemodilution.

  hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

  there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

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  jwdaughter: They threatened to not take their child home if he was given blood? I fault the state agency that didn't rescue the child from such abuse. Totally monstrous parents.

  The situation happened in 1970, at a time that the courts had had some experience with dealing with the blood ban, but there were other circumstances that influenced the doctors' behavior. This is how it was written in the Newsweek article:

  
  The doctors considered going to court to obtain temporary custody of the boy so that they could operate without his parents' consent, an alternative that had been used periodically in other Jehovah's witness cases. Then the Johnson's proclaimed that they would not take Terry back into their home if such a course was taken. In the face of this, plus some adverse comment in the local press, the doctors sent Terry back home while they pondered other ways to solve the dilemna. "The parents were very calm and reasonable, even though they were insistent on a strict interpretation of their religious rules," recalls heart surgeon Dr. Mortimer J. Buckley. "We were willing to bend over backward."

  I am curious as to what the "adverse comment in the local press" was. The WTS has a history of 'spiking' popular opinion by submitting articles to the media and it would fit their pattern if that adverse media had been provoked by the WTS themselves.

  Dagney: The WT are painting themselves into a well deserved corner with the blood issue.

  And I am happy to pick up a brush to make sure the job is done. Hell, I will even buy the paint.

  I think their corner on the bloodless market might be getting a little small lately. In spite of the hype that the WTS has circulated concerning bloodless surgery, I have a feeling that their well laid plans for the golden standard of care could be faltering right about........now.

  I am not sure that all those bloodless clinics that the JWs started in the States over the past couple decades have enough patients to keep them viable. Instead of an expansion into the bloodless world, I have a sneaking suspicion that we will be seeing some of them close their doors in the not too distant future.

  Bloodless surgery options do not perform as well as the WTS noblood crew would like people to believe.
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  JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  acute normovolemic hemodilution.

  hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

  there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

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  AndersAnderson: Wow, you're digging deep!
  Great find and write up. Thanks!
  Are you planning on presenting/publishing your research somehow?

  Thanks Anders.

  I have had the Newsweek article for several years but it has taken me this long to put all the pieces together. Just learning about what all the medical procedures are is a daunting endeavor and then wading through medical studies and making timelines and connections is really complicated.

  About publishing - I know, I know...I get that suggestion a lot.

  I don't feel like I am ready. Not yet. I keep finding new material and I feel like I am missing pieces. Publishing now would be like framing a puzzle but not putting the last three pieces in the picture.

  I "publish" what I find on these forums and hope that the material I unearth is useful to someone somewhere...sometime. I don't like the idea of holding information back. Maybe someday I will be able to put it all together but in the meantime, I will just keep plugging away and sharing what I find.
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  JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  acute normovolemic hemodilution.

  hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

  there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

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  Acute Normovolemic Hemodilution

  Hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance. There are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process. When the hemodilution is simply the additive of substance to the blood circulation to make up for volume loss during anemia, the process does not violate any so-called Biblical injunction against storing blood or taking foreign blood into the body.

  A doctor who changed that simple hemodilution process into one with a wider application, was Dr. Denton Cooley, the heart surgeon. He developed a heart and lung machine that would divert the blood supply away from the heart and replace the diverted blood with non-blood fluid, making open heart surgery possible. At the time that he first used this machine, he discovered that priming the machine with donated blood was problematic for various reasons and in response, Cooley came up with a way to prime the machine with non-blood product. A side benefit to the non-blood prime was that JW patients consented to the procedure, as long as the blood wasn't removed and stored prior to the surgery starting and the bags of stored blood during the surgical procedure remain attached to the body. A simple concession (that really, was actually meaningless) facilitated this early autologous blood transfusion procedure for JWs.

  Dr. Cooley's hemodilution procedures were being pioneered in the late 1960s and the process of removing large amounts of blood prior to and during surgery for re-infusion became to be known as 'acute normovolemic hemodilution'.

  In 1970, this procedure was tried on a child for the first time:

  Acute Normovolemic Hemodilution
  The use of a child's acutely collected blood for reinfusion after surgery was first applied in the US by Myron B. Laver, M.D. in 1970 at the Massachusetts General Hospital. The initial patient was a 7 year old child requiring open heart surgery whose family was committed to refusing blood use on religious grounds.

  The medical study that reported this procedure is not available online - Laver, M. B., and M. J. Buckley. "EXTREME HEMODILUTION IN SURGICAL PATIENTS." MICROVASCULAR RESEARCH. Vol. 4. No. 2. 525 B ST, STE 1900, SAN DIEGO, CA 92101-4495: ACADEMIC PRESS INC, 1972.

  However, The story of the child and his family was reported on in the January 18, 1971 issue of Newsweek.

  The child in this procedure was Terry Johnson, a Jehovah's Witness child. His parents, Mr. and Mrs. Robert Johnson of Athol, Mass., refused blood for Terry and even threatened to not take Terry back home if a court order was obtained to treat him with blood.

  The doctors finally came up with a plan that met with approval and this is what happened during the surgery:

  Terry's operation was on Oct. 1. During the one and a haf hours he was on the heart-lung machine, 6 pints of Ringer's lactate were administered through his right arm, diluting the red cells in his circulation from 60 percent down to 10 percent. "His blood was thin enough to pass the headline test,"notes Laver. "You could read headlines through it." To compensate for the lack of oxygen-carrying red blood cells, the doctors speeded up his circulation with the pump, making the red cells do double duty. When the surgeons had repaired Terry's heart, the pump was switched off and the blood in the plastic bags flowed back into his body. The Ringer's lactate was excreted normally. Soon, Terry's red bloods were back to normal and since the clotting ability of his blood was unimpaired, his recovery was uneventful.

  And that was the first successful acute normovolemic hemodilution to be done on a child. Terry Johnson got to go home with his parents - the same parents who would not have taken him home if he had received life saving blood.

  That procedure was done in 1970, reported on in Newsweek in 1971 and written about in a medical journal.

  The Newsweek article was included in the WTS publication directed towards the medical profession: Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973.

  The WTS also wrote about this new procedure in Awake! 1972 Apr 8 p.30:

  The Journal of the American Medical Association, dated Nov 15, 1971, described a procedure for open-heart surgery that employs "sever hemodilution." Early in the operation a large quantity of blood is drawn off into a plastic blood bag. Though the bag is left connected to the patient by a tube, the removed and stored blood is no longer circulating in the patient's system. It is replaced with a plasma volume expander, which dilutes the blood remaining in the veins and which gradually dissipates during the operative procedure. Near the conclusion of the operation the blood storage bag is elevated, and the stored blood is reinfused into the patient. The New York Times of Nov 9, 1971, reported on a somewhat similar procedure whereby some days before one undergoes surgery as much as four pints of blood are removed and stored. During the operation the person's own stored blood is transfused back into him, thus avoiding the danger of disease and mismatched blood. These techniques are noteworthy to Christians, since they run counter to God's Word. The Bible shows that blood is not to be taken out of a body, stored and then later reused.

  For years, the Watchtower's references to hemodilution in their literature consistently said that blood storage outside the body was forbidden. Hemodilution was not actually forbidden, as long as it was just the simple process of adding fluid to the bloodstream to compensate for blood loss.

  The WTS does not name the procedure that was approved - ANH with line attached.

  Acute normovolemic hemodilution would not receive approval in the WTS literature until 1995.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - a religion of displaced people?

  by slimboyfat in

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  i've had a theory for a long time that jws historically have appealed to people who have been displaced or find themselves in a new environment away from family and friends.

  i also read an article recently that suggested that internal migration in italy was a big boost for jw growth.

  more generally it has long been theorised that new religious movements are a phenomenon particularly associated with disruptive features of modernity, including the hyper-mobility of people in the modern age.

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  sfb: Most of the older JWs I know became JWs shortly after moving to a new country or to a new town some distance away.

  My grandmother became a Bible Student in the late 20s shortly after moving to Canada from Norway. The 'sisters' who came out to the farm taught her how to read English and made her feel welcome in a new country. And they promised her that her baby that had just died would be brought back to life again. That was the promise that sealed the deal for her
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  Lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency laparotomies on Jehovah’s Witness women

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the wt has promoted bloodless surgery as a viable (and better) alternative to surgery with blood transfusions.. i have found a medical study that has been used to back up these "evidence based" claims.

  the title of the article is lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency.

  these mostly indigent patients died of peritonitis becauseof delays in payment for antibiotics.

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  vidiot: Recently learning that the "bloodless" med-tech industry itself was crafted almost wholly by the WTS itself (albeit with one or two flimsy degrees of separation) was quite a surprise.

  Parts of the industry has been. The blood management world is dominated by WT influence but other things that the WT has tried to take credit for in the industry are misrepresentations.

  I just finished Denton Cooley's memoirs and I must say that the story that has been crafted by the WT bloodless machine gives a slightly different perspective on the role of the Jehovah's Witnesses than what Cooley presents in his book 100,000 Hearts.

  To read accounts of the history of bloodless surgery from the perspective of authors such as Petra Seeber, the JW doctor who is prominent in the blood management world, you would think that Dr. Cooley designed and implemented bloodless techniques just to satisfy the demands of the JW patients. This myth has been repeated ad nauseum in anything connected to the WT. The blood management world likes to dub Dr. Cooley as a "bloodless pioneer". Funny thing is...Dr. Cooley doesn't call himself that and his accomplishments could never have been possible without blood transfusion technology.

  It is a blatant lie. Dr. Cooley developed bloodless no prime in response to the demands of heart surgery - NOT in response to the demands of JWs. The technology and method was one he developed for all patients before it became useful for JW patients and the JWs just happened to be a particular group that was able to take advantage of Dr. Cooley's expertise. They played virtually no role in the demand or development of Cooley's life saving methods.

  The WT likes to take credit for playing a role in Dr. Cooley's accomplishments yet they were the ones who requested that Cooley write about the JWs for a scientific journal. The JWs ended up as subjects of a Cooley study at the request of the WT.

  After reading Dr. Cooley's autobiography, and then re-reading some of the blood management claims about his connection to their industry, and their claim that he is a "pioneer" of bloodless surgery, I have come away with the impression that the bloodless/blood management world has 'adopted' Dr.Cooley and is trying sail in on his coat tails.

  Vidot, I still assert that the WT has their finger in the $ pie of the bloodless world, but I am refining my view on what their actual role has been. The propaganda they have spread about the blood industry takes a lot of sifting through to figure out what has actually happened and what is just part of WT myth making.
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  Synthetic Blood trial slated for 2017

  by Lee Elder in

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  the u.k. to start trials in a new synthetic blood substitute.

  all previous versions have failed to gain regulatory approval, but perhaps this one will offer a way out for jehovah's witnesses.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7ouuzbg4c.

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  VI: ....JWs are forbidden from using whole blood unless it comes from cows

  Unless, of course the HLC arranges for the compassionate use of the artificial blood made from human blood, Polyheme. Which they have done on occasion
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  Synthetic Blood trial slated for 2017

  by Lee Elder in

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  the u.k. to start trials in a new synthetic blood substitute.

  all previous versions have failed to gain regulatory approval, but perhaps this one will offer a way out for jehovah's witnesses.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7ouuzbg4c.

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  So now we have a possible reason for the recent push to have those DPA documents signed and on file

  Thanks for posting this Lee
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  Lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency laparotomies on Jehovah’s Witness women

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the wt has promoted bloodless surgery as a viable (and better) alternative to surgery with blood transfusions.. i have found a medical study that has been used to back up these "evidence based" claims.

  the title of the article is lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency.

  these mostly indigent patients died of peritonitis becauseof delays in payment for antibiotics.

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  Cool, Fisherguy.

  Millie, I have been thinking some more about what you said and I think that you have highlighted another problem with this study. It doesn't extrapolate well to a different geographical population. It has little comparison value to populations with different resources.

  Why this is important is because Shannon Farmer and Axel Hoffman, et al, from the SABM crew, used this study to write an article, in 2009, that they used to promote and establish the blood management program in Australia. And...it also was cited in the European guidelines for blood management
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  Jehovah's Witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'Harness Your Habits' leaflet in North Devon

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'harness your habits' leaflet in north devon.

  devon and cornwall police have said a leaflet posted through doors in north devon isn't a crime – despite it advising gay people to "control their urges".the leaflet, entitled "how to harness your habits", was distributed in north devon by jehovah's witnesses and contains an article asking "what does the bible say about homosexuality?

  "in it, the religious group states that "rejecting homosexuality" is completely different to "rejecting people of a different skin colour" and says their views are the same as people who "view smoking as harmful and even repugnant".it also compares gay people to animals, but says "unlike animals, they can choose not to act on their impulses".the journal was contacted by a reader, who wishes to remain anonymous, who felt "belittled" by the leaflet.

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  millie: I am searching for the right way to say someone gay or hetero, someone male or female - doesnt matter - who is basically standing outside the long arm of the law (in this case a judicial committee) because they are not doing anything that can be used as a technicality against them.

  Haha, Millie! We used to call that being in the closet. Has it changed?

  Maybe in JW land it has another term...celibate person seems close. Sorta like the Catholic monks, I guess