Posts by OrphanCrow

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Dr. Kevorkian endorses the WTS Child Sacrifice doctrine

by OrphanCrow in

in 1966, he published an article, our unforgiveable trespass, in the journal clinical pediatrics, in support of jw parents denying their children blood transfusions and that article was used by the wts in their 1973 publication directed to the medical community - jehovah's witnesses alternatives to blood transfusions.. .

about who dr. kevorkian was at the time he wrote this article:.

http://www.biography.com/people/jack-kevorkian-9364141#early-career.

OrphanCrow

Honesty: Is this publication available online?....

Now available:

Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions

The Kevorkian article is on page 24 of the pdf

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

To add a link to download the volume Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions

Terry's story appears near the beginning of this volume, on page 15 of this pdf:

Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions

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Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973 - pediatrics version

by OrphanCrow in

the hospital liaison committees got their start in canada in the early 70s.. 3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by jws in negotiating the no blood care of jw patients who required blood transfusions.. james penton, in the third edition of his book apocalypse delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:.

pg 430at the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in toronto at which numerous prominent canadian witnesses were present.

as a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's toronto branch.

OrphanCrow

The Hospital Liaison Committees got their start in Canada in the early 70s.

3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by JWs in negotiating the no blood care of JW patients who required blood transfusions.

James Penton, in the third edition of his book Apocalypse Delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:

pg 430
At the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in Toronto at which numerous prominent Canadian Witnesses were present. As a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's Toronto branch. These were Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions in Adults, Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions in Minors, Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions. Most of the material in them was compiled by Alex Tost, a former Watchtower missionary and chemist from Hamilton, Ontario. Interestingly, in preparing these books, no attention was paid to copyright laws.

Penton mentions that the book contains medical studies and clippings from popular press but it also contains legal writings by Glen How and it contains a section of clippings from WT literature supporting the JWs' choice to refuse blood transfusions.

This is the book that was used by the JWs who were negotiating with doctors and hospitals in the 70s. The book carried a lot of weight - the introduction contained a veiled threat that legal problems would arise if the JW patient's wishes (the WT wishes) weren't adhered to, and that threat was backed up by the weight of Glen How's legal articles contained in the volume.

I am grateful to the person(s) who took the time to make one of these volumes available as a digital file, along with a letter by Alex Tost outlining the use of the books. This volume that has been digitized is the pediatrics version.

Download entire volume and Tost letter here:

Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions

A couple links to posts I have made previously concerning material I have found in this volume/book:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/289504/dr-kevorkian-endorses-wts-child-sacrifice-doctrine

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4856993229570048/jw-child-first-pediatric-patient-receive-acute-normovolemic-hemodilution-1970

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

Well,Vidiot, I think that this case could play out strangely. It will be hard to predict

The irony is not lost on me - the Jehovah's Witnesses are credited with shaping the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - and now they are getting challenged under that same charter. Ironic and historically significant...I think this case has the potential to shift power significantly in favor of individual rights.

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

Vidiot, there is some political context in Canada that could be relevant.

Religious freedom office replaced with new 'office of human rights'

May, 2016:

Justin Trudeau's Liberal government has replaced the Office of Religious Freedom created by the previous Conservative government with an office focused more broadly on human rights.
Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion announced the creation of the new Office of Human Rights, Freedoms and Inclusion in a release late Tuesday.
Andrew Bennett was appointed as Canada's ambassador for religious freedom in 2013. The new office will expand on his work "under a comprehensive vision that includes all human rights," the release said.
The budget allocated for the previous office now has been tripled to $15 million.

Randy Wall's case will be about whether or not his civil rights were violated by unfair judicial practices/procedures undertaken by a religious group - it is not about religious doctrine or religious belief whatsoever.

The political climate in Canada should work in Randy's favour. And the repercussions could be broad - it could impact other religions who engage in activity that would be illegal in secular courts yet gets the nod by flying under the religious banner. Religious freedom will not mean the freedom for religion to oppress

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

doc: Does this suit seem like it was almost "designed" for the purpose of pursing litigation against WTS? ...................DOC

Only in the sense that the WTS are the architects of their own demise

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

OrphanCrow

John: The soul is what produces the sense of infinity in your mind. And the search for meaning, justice, beauty and so on. No other animal do that

How do you know this? How do you know that no other animal searches "for meaning, justice, beauty and so on"?

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

This could get interesting. The trial will pit secular law against religious law.

This could have some far reaching consequences

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

I am still thinking about the one judge's comment that likened the congregation of JWs to a bridge club. I think he is way off base with that analogy. The congregation is not like a bridge club unless you draw an analogy between the congregation and an ACBL sanctioned bridge club. The congregation is not a private club - they are more like an ACBL club.

And, in the case of an ACBL sanctioned bridge club, they do have procedural judicial hearings that do follow natural justice principles. If, for example, a member is found to be cheating, a judicial process is embarked upon that holds the member accountable for their actions. But...the ACBL's procedure is nothing at all like the JWs' kangaroo court. The one accused of cheating is entitled to a fair trial to determine his/her guilt or innocence and if a member has been expelled inappropriately, they have recourse to remedy the wrong. The one accused is entitled to representation and to full disclosure - the same as in a court of law.

Yes, a bridge club member can be shunned by their club - no question about that - the difference is that a sanctioned club must follow administrative law and natural justice principles in enforcing their rules. The JW congregation does not do that.

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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

OrphanCrow

william: I can see the WT, if they haven't already done this, getting elders to sign some sort of release saying that any decisions made by a local JC be held solely libel and the WT is off the hook. In other words if anyone is ever sued would be the local JC, leaving the WT off the hook.

The WT is not named as an appellant in this case. This case is solely against the elders involved in the judicial hearing.

berrygerry: Doesn't change anything. It is the Shepherding book that contains the rules (and lack thereof).

That is true. The Shepherding book does come from the WTS. However, for the purposes of this trial, the fact that the elders are under the command and control of the WTS, only comes into play if the elders are found at fault and have to pay compensation to Randy in some way. Saying "oh, but we were only following orders" will likely be insufficient to alleviate them of guilt. Ignorance does not equal innocence

Then, it will be up to the elders to sue the WTS for giving them faulty instruction. The onus will be on them to find fault with the WTS' shepherding book that they so faithfully followed.

I don't think that the courts will have the power to pursue the WTS in this particular case. I could be wrong...but I don't think so. The WTS is not named in the court documents

vidiot: Even if the state can't completely prevent high-control religions from shunning, I believe that the degree of shunning can still be mitigated with the threat of revoking tax-exempt status

What is going to mitigate the shunning in this case is the elders being held accountable for their unjust action and Randy being levied a form of compensation. If this case holds (and I think that Randy has an excellent chance of making it stick) it should make the elders re-evaluate whether or not they should be following the edicts that come down to them from above.

Which is a really good thing...the elders being held accountable for the consequences of their judicial decisions is where the shunning edict could start to unravel.

And one more thing. The 15 year old child that was shunned and the parents being pressured by the elders to kick her out of the home - depriving a child of shelter and home is a violation of the International Rights of the Child. That could become an issue as well in this case, or, at least...I hope it is brought up in some way at the trial.