That's a good thing, Hoser.
According to Peter Boghossian, faith is "pretending to know things you don't know"
OrphanCrow
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I need more faith so I've been told
by hoser ini attended the circus assembly last weekend and i have come to the conclusion i am lacking faith.
the opening talk on the program, the very first words that came out of the speakers mouth told me so.
he said most of us here are lacking faith even though we might not know it.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973 - pediatrics version
by OrphanCrow inthe hospital liaison committees got their start in canada in the early 70s.. 3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by jws in negotiating the no blood care of jw patients who required blood transfusions.. james penton, in the third edition of his book apocalypse delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:.
pg 430at the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in toronto at which numerous prominent canadian witnesses were present.
as a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's toronto branch.
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OrphanCrow
I would like to make a comment about something that Mike and Kim said in their video. Around the 8:00 mark, they claim that the Watchtower of July 1, 1951 - which is included in this bound volume - had said it was okay for Jehovah's Witnesses to use their conscience in deciding to get blood transfusions.
This is an error of interpretation. The article does not say that. That particular answer was given in response to the question as to how JWs regard other people - not them. The Watchtower did not say JWs could use their conscience.
This is the quote in full and it comes at the very end of adamant opposition to blood of any form for JWs. It is a concern as to whether JWs oppose blood transfusions for people other than themselves:
• Then are we to conclude that Jehovah's witnesses
oppose the people's use or transfusions'?
That would be a wrong conclusion, Jehovah's
witnesses do not oppose the people's use of
transfusions, but allow each 'one the right to
decide for himself what he can conscientiously
do. The Israelites felt bound to abide by Goer's
law forbidding the eating of meat with the blood
congealed in it, but still they had no objection
whatever to those outside God's organization
doing it, and even supplied unbled carcasses
to outsiders who regularly ate such things
anyway. (Deut. 14:21) Each one decides for himself,
and bears the responsibility for his course.
Jehovah's witnesses consecrate their' lives to
GOD and feel bound by his Word, arnd with these
things in view they individually decide their
personal course and bear their personal responsibility
therefore before God. So, as Joshua once
said to the Israelites, "If it seem evil unto you
to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom
ye will serve; ... as for me and my house.
we will serve Jehovah."-Josh. 24:15, AS.
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Contradictory Information on the Life of Geoffrey Jackson
by Wild_Thing inin geoffrey jackson's autobiography published in in the watchtower, he states that him and his wife went to serve as missionaries on the island nation of tulavu in 1979, and there were only 3 baptized witnesses in all of tulavu, and he translated all of the witness literature into the tuvaluan language in 1980, printing it right there on the island.
the article says they served as missionaries there until 1985 when they were assigned to the samoa branch.. .
in july, 2008, the watchtower society penned a letter to the un human rights council about the treatment of jws in tuvalu.
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OrphanCrow
The WT is probably lying. Theocratic warfare.
I am going to guess that it was illegal for missionaries to come into the region for the purposes of conversion and that once the congregation became registered, it was okay to say that G.W. was there.
Just a guess
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JW remark about blood transfusion
by Gorbatchov inrecent i had a conversation with an old jw friend.
he told me his mother rejected a blood transfusion in a critical fase, and survived it, and of course it's good to hear that she makes it good now.. what me triggered, was a remark he made about what the elder of the hospital committee told him.. this elder praised the mother of my old friend because of rejecting the transfusion.
the elder told them that most jehovah's witness in the netherlands take a blood transfusion when their life is at stake.
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OrphanCrow
Chook: We had a JW elders wife get special cutting edge blood faction that was made from cows blood ,an army developed product flown into Australia. This JW woman blood count was under 2, she lived. The irony is animal blood to the rescue. The only reason they saved her was connections,her husband is hospital liaison
I have read about this case in medical literature.
You bring up some critical points about the case.
First, we only ever hear about the successes. We don't hear about the ones for whom the procedure/product failed.
Another irony is that the product used in this case, Hemopure, was only available because it was still used for military research in the USA. The trials for this product have already been stopped by the FDA. Available only to....JWs for "compassionate use". And funded by the US defense department...to develop protocols and products for trauma response.
And about the animal blood...there are documented cases where the HLC arranged for JW patients to receive the other artificial blood that was on the market - Polyheme - made from human blood.
And, like you pointed out, this woman was only able to receive Hemopure because of her connections being married to a HLC bigshot. This product would not be available to just any lowly JW. As much as the JWs believe that "oh...we can have artificial blood now! and bloodless surgery!!!"...I say, good luck with that. You better have some serious money and good connections to access it.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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OrphanCrow
The soul is a problem of philosophy.
No.
It is a problem of epistemology.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973 - pediatrics version
by OrphanCrow inthe hospital liaison committees got their start in canada in the early 70s.. 3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by jws in negotiating the no blood care of jw patients who required blood transfusions.. james penton, in the third edition of his book apocalypse delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:.
pg 430at the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in toronto at which numerous prominent canadian witnesses were present.
as a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's toronto branch.
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OrphanCrow
Well, it looks like I have the title of this thread wrong. My copy is exactly the same as this one and from the information given...it is likely the full volume including adults, minors and pediatrics.
The handbook has sure grown since the time it was first compiled. This is the 2001 version of 10 volumes:
Contrast that abundance of material, that the HLC has at their disposal to use in negotiating a JW patient's care, with this new 'worksheet' examining blood belief. This is what the JW patient is basing their blood refusal belief on :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4oXVPm4nrmfTTUzcFVBRHh6b28/view
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Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973 - pediatrics version
by OrphanCrow inthe hospital liaison committees got their start in canada in the early 70s.. 3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by jws in negotiating the no blood care of jw patients who required blood transfusions.. james penton, in the third edition of his book apocalypse delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:.
pg 430at the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in toronto at which numerous prominent canadian witnesses were present.
as a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's toronto branch.
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OrphanCrow
If you all look at the letter that Trost wrote. It says it is a NEW edition ...and has a few more articles that deal with minors & adults.
Ah, yes, I see that.
It is too bad that Trost's letter isn't dated.
The volume likely went through a few additions and slight revisions during those early days of production. After all - it was being photocopied and bound individually to begin with. And, revised as need arose - the adult version would have come later - many technological surgical advances were done on the pediatric population first and then later implemented into adult care
*edit to add - I will have to take some time to go through the volume you have scanned and see if there are any additions to the hard copy of the book I have -
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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970
by OrphanCrow inacute normovolemic hemodilution.
hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.
there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.
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vidiot: Ironic that the advances in "non-blood medicine" have come about as a direct result of transfusion-related advances.
For sure. "Alternatives to blood transfusions" is a misnomer. The alternatives were/are blood transfusions - transfusions of a patient's own blood. Their blood is/was drained and/or salvaged...and then transfused back into them.
That is one of the reasons why the supposed risk factors of blood transfusions that the WT has promoted about the dangers of blood transfusions is misleading - all the mechanical problems associated with transfusion of blood is still existent in the alternative procedures proposed in surgical practice - the alternative is still a blood transfusion.
Without blood transfusion technology in the first place, there would be no supposed alternatives.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to Blood Transfusions 1973 - pediatrics version
by OrphanCrow inthe hospital liaison committees got their start in canada in the early 70s.. 3 books/volumes were produced in 1973 and became the 'handbook' that was used by jws in negotiating the no blood care of jw patients who required blood transfusions.. james penton, in the third edition of his book apocalypse delayed, gives some background on how these 'medical' volumes came about:.
pg 430at the time of the establishment of the hospital committees, a number of large meetings were held in toronto at which numerous prominent canadian witnesses were present.
as a result of the "hospital work", three books containing photocopied articles from medical journals and the popular press were produced and bound at the society's toronto branch.
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OrphanCrow
Credit goes to Kim for taking the time to scan this book. That was a lot of work - over 600 pages now archived and accessible. Valuable.
And much thanks to James Penton for updating his third edition of Apocalypse Delayed to include background on how this book came about. When I first came across a hard copy of this volume 5 years ago, there was no information about what the book was or how it came about. The book does not contain ownership information or copyright clearances. Thank you to James Penton for explaining why that is. (I knew he would know! Lol! I had speculated that Penton had been around the Canadian Bethel at the time it was compiled. The update is much appreciated and now I am waiting to read Penton's 3rd edition of Apocalypse Delayed - I have it on order - excited to see what else Penton has added)
Mike and Kim's video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eKNYiTqmbc&feature=youtu.be
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Dr. Kevorkian endorses the WTS Child Sacrifice doctrine
by OrphanCrow inin 1966, he published an article, our unforgiveable trespass, in the journal clinical pediatrics, in support of jw parents denying their children blood transfusions and that article was used by the wts in their 1973 publication directed to the medical community - jehovah's witnesses alternatives to blood transfusions.. .
about who dr. kevorkian was at the time he wrote this article:.
http://www.biography.com/people/jack-kevorkian-9364141#early-career.
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OrphanCrow
Honesty: Is this publication available online?....
Now available:
Jehovah's Witnesses - Alternatives to Blood Transfusions
The Kevorkian article is on page 24 of the pdf