Posts by OrphanCrow

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Morbidity and mortality risk in J.W.. patients

by TheWonderofYou in

http://www.glowm.com/pdf/pph_2nd_edn_chap-72.pdf.

ta more recent (2009) study from the netherlands16 concluded that: ‘women who are jehovah’s witnesses are at a six times increased risk for maternal death, at a 130 times increased risk for maternal death because of major obstetric hemorrhage and at a 3.1 times increased risk for serious maternal morbidity because of obstetric hemorrhage, compared to the general dutch population.’.

the article highlights how j.w.-women are managed.. .

OrphanCrow

Women in the JW religion.

No power.

And not only that...a greatly increased risk of dying from loss of blood.

JW women. The most vulnerable with the least amount of power.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

looter: ...because that's the way you feel.

No.

That is not the way I feel.

It is the way I think.

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

OrphanCrow

Picking up where I left off, sort of...which was here, from Seeber/Shander's textbook Basics of Blood Management:

In 1979 the governing body of the Jehovah’ s Witnesses announced the formation of Hospital Liaison Committees...

Seeber/Shander go on to say this:

These continued to “support Jehovah’s Witnesses in
their determination to prevent their being given blood
transfusions, to clear away misunderstandings on the part
of doctors and hospitals, to establish a more cooperative
spirit between medical institutions and Witness patients
(our italics) ” and to “alert hospital staff to the fact that
there are valid alternatives to the infusion of blood ” .

It is in this paragraph that the SABM duo of Seeber/Shander try to distance the WTS from the HLC. The duo emphasize, through their italics, that it was the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves who desired the HLC. The responsibility for the medical intervention then comes, not from above, but is placed squarely on the individual's shoulders.

This is inaccurate.

Firstly, this account totally ignores that the individual JW's position has been dictated by the WTS to begin with. As James Penton pointed out, we are all "quite aware of the fact that a Jehovah's witness could be and would be disfellowshipped for voluntarily accepting a blood transfusion. "

Secondly, the Jehovah's Witnesses who were involved in the HLC were not representative of the general JW population. Penton has revealed that the JWs in Canada who were instrumental in setting up hospital committees were "leading Canadian Witnesses (including Watch Tower officials at the Canadian branch)". It is likely that these leading Canadian Witnesses had interests in the medical world and related fields. For example, Alex Tost was a chemist. And, in the States, there were several doctors besides Dr. Dixon, the Bethel doctor, who were Jehovah's Witnesses.

Dr. Dixon and Gene Smalley wrote Jehovah's Witnesses - The Surgical/Ethical Challenge which was published in JAMA 1981. In that article, Dixon/Smalley claim that

Jehovah's Witnesses accept medical and surgical treatment. In fact, scores of them are physicians, even surgeons.

Scores of JW doctors. How many is that? It is over 40 and probably less than 100.

I don't know who all these doctors were but some names are evident.

Mostly osteopathic doctors - Dr. W. E. Winslow. Dr. Henri Enfroy. Dr. Ronald Broadwater. Dr. Herk Hutchins. All JWs. And "scores" more, according to Dixon/Smalley.

There is a small part in the Dixon/Smalley article that I want to talk about. Keep in mind that this article was published only two years after the HLC went official and became a department of the WTS. The new hospital department had a mission: to promote the notion of not using donor blood - to promote the ideology of keeping blood pure, not contaminated.

Dixon/Smalley reveal that the WTS lobbied for support. They asked doctors to produce articles that supported their position.

In response to our request, Cooley recently did a statistical review of 1,026 operations, 22% on minors, and determined "that the risk of surgery in patients of the Jehovah's Witness group has not been substantially higher than for others."

I am going to take a break for now, and will return with more thoughts on what Dixon/Smalley said about Cooley's report. But in the meantime, if anybody is even reading this, and if you feel so inclined, I challenge anyone to find that "statistical review". Please do.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

That would have been very pointless...

It was. He watched his son bleed to death. And he did nothing

Exactly the same way that JWs watch their children bleed to death. They think it is okay too

I don't

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Jeezus, the Org must have convinced themselves that the "bloodless" medical technology field would end up a f**king gold mine.

It is a f**king gold mine.

Don't forget that it was only 5 years ago that the noblood societies, that the Org is aligned with, attended the United Nations WHO conference in Dubai and it was at that conference that Shander et al successfully convinced the WHO that patient blood management is the "golden standard of care"...for the entire world.

Patient blood management - using the patient's own blood

Blood management - avoiding donor blood

Both concepts are now adopted by WHO - a United Nations organization - as the optimum way to handle blood supply...for the world. Our blood guidelines are now set by noblood societies with ties to the religion which prohibits blood transfusions.

And that is why I am so interested in deconstructing the Seeber/Shander account of where and how this blood management movement took hold. And the root of the movement is yours truly - the Watch Tower Society.

The global blood management movement, which effects everybody, is a Watch Tower movement.

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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

by joe134cd in

https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

OrphanCrow

DrWho: She took the book home and read the first pages, got scared , wrapped it up in gift paper and hid it under her bed, strange behavior ?

It is sad behavior. Sad.

To be so terrified and to not know that freedom from that mental anguish is only a tiny mental click away

She still has the book. Maybe she will unwrap it some day

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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

by joe134cd in

https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

OrphanCrow

DD: Saying that "free help" has no value is ludicrous

Yes, you are right. It is a ludicrous statement. "Free" help can certainly help sometimes.

But...to expect that "free" help is better that "charged" help just because of a moral judgement - a judgement on the helper's motivation - is also a ludicrous position.

That would be like questioning your mechanic's motives just because he wants some money in return for a service you can't perform yourself

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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

by joe134cd in

https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

OrphanCrow

DD: There's no reason he can't help people for free.

I think that paying for food and shelter would be a good reason.

Everybody seems to think that "help" is supposed to be free or it is suspect.

Personally, I would think that if something is free, it is valueless.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

Looter, nobody here believes that you are an 18 something guy. Or 19 something. Or 20 something.

You display the typical behavior of somebody whose view of the world is based on feelings rather than reality. Your belief in god is a feeling - an emotion. And when someone questions your belief, you respond emotionally, not rationally.

And when that fails, you resort to the Big Threat: God is gonna get you.

You are powerless. You do not have personal power - you have to rely on an imaginary friend to fight the battles of the mind for you. God is simply a mental construct that steps in to make up for what you perceive to be your personal failings.

God is only as powerful as you are. God is an exact replica of who you are - an impotent being with no power whatsoever

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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.

by joe134cd in

https://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.

OrphanCrow

Drwho: He mentioned once that a Cult education website had been bought out by Scientology , which in turn kept the original name, maybe this is the website ?

It is the Cult Awareness Network that was bought by Scientology