Posts by OrphanCrow

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

OrphanCrow

....with more thoughts on what Dixon/Smalley said about Cooley's report

The reason I am bringing up an seemingly unrelated article - the Dixon/Smalley article - on a thread about the Seeber/Shander textbook is that it is the Dixon/Smalley type of promotion that was critical in the formation years of blood management. It was published in 1981, right after the official launch of the hospital committees.

The Dixon/Smalley article quotes from a report that they claim they had petitioned from Dr. Cooley. However, the Cooley report has never been published. It doesn't exist anywhere except, presumably, in the Hospital Information Service's archives. A person cannot check the source and in fact, it isn't even sourced in the article.

Given the WT's poor record of taking quotes out of context, I would discard any information that is inferred from a quote that is not referenced.

And yet...that quote shows up over and over again online...it has been used and misused to promote bloodless medicine. And there is no way to check the quote for what Dr. Cooley had actually said. We have no idea what the rest of the report said and it is suspiciously unavailable. On that basis, it is a bogus quote. It cannot be checked.

That is the kind of promotion that the WT engaged in - promotion that used a shady interpretation of a quote and no reference for the quote.

And speaking of bogus...retracted medical studies have found their way into the Seeber/Shander textbook.

Basics of Blood Management contains references to at least 3 medical studies that have been retracted:

1. Cerebral effects and blood sparing efficiency of sodium nitroprusside-induced hypotension alone and in combination with acute normovolaemic haemodilution

2. Acute phase response to nitroprusside-inducedcontrolled hypotension in patients undergoingradical prostatectomy

3. A New Plasma-Adapted Hydroxyethyl Starch Preparation: In Vitro Coagulation Studies

All three of those studies were co-authored by Dr. Joachim Boldt, the 'expert' who was quoted in an Awake! magazine as supporting bloodless methods.

More about Dr. Boldt's fraudulent research here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5664231412203520/wts-expert-on-blood?page=1&size=10

And here:

Joachim Boldt (born September 29, 1954[1]) is a German anesthesiologist who was previously considered a leading researcher into colloids. He has been stripped of his professorship and is under criminal investigation for possible forgery of up to 90 research studies.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

wonderofyou: So Englewood received a sum to train military. Does this mean that the military surgeons were allowed to watch and to take part in J.W. patients surgery - especially in lifethreatening situations - as well?

Of course army surgeons operated on JWs. Englewood's bloodless program is primarily used for JW patients.

If such things happend, did the patients got a chance to save their life after support through a competent member of HLC by e.g. an alternative method, which could have saved life, so that the patient - maybe a children - could have been saved at Englewood instead of being exsanguinated?

You don't understand what is happening. The HLC would be involved in the patient's care through the entire process. The HLC would be working with the US army surgeons at every step of the way, including directing the JW patients into the program.

So the question arises: Were J.W. excepted from those trainings with the army because they would have been informed of that army-cooperation and could have undersigned a form that they wouldnt allow such cooperation in surgery with army?

I don't know. That also raises the question as to whether or not all those hundreds (thousands) of JWs, who have already been part of US Army funded studies for various medical procedures and products, would have been informed that their compliance with bloodless methods was part of military research. This is not a new phenomena - it has been happening for decades - likely for as long as the blood ban has been in place.

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What is the biggest hypocrisy you have seen as a witness?

by HereIgo in

i have far too many to name, but ill start with obscene music, gambling and cussing like a sailor.

all the while preaching to "worldly people" about their impending death at armageddon.

thoughts?.

OrphanCrow

Another blood hypocrisy.

A JW cannot be a blood donor. They do not donate blood.

But...this very minute....right now, there are JWs using products made from blood. Blood that came from donors.

The WTS approves blood fractions - where do you think these "fractions" come from? Blood donors of course. And lots of them. For example, 250 cc of albumin, (which is a WT approved blood product) requires 35-40 donors.

The WTS has made the JWs into vampires - they are 'allowed' to suck on the world's blood supply (through a straw, mind you...just fractions) but the JWs are banned from giving anything at all back. Not even one f**ing drop. They are banned and excluded from donating to the blood supply.

8 million people who cannot give blood to the world's blood supply.*

But...they can take from it.

And they do.

Every single bloodless procedure in the States will use donor blood at some point. It is inevitable. Blood fractions are a part of 'bloodless' treatment.

Right now, there are JWs scattered all over the world who are taking blood fractions - products that have been made from the world's blood donor pool. They are sucking on our blood supply. And giving nothing back.

Hypocrites.

And the blood management movement, that the HLC alliance promotes, has the nerve to claim that the reason the world needs their brand of medicine is...because there isn't enough donors.

*to add...those 8 million potential donors is a low number. There are thousands and thousands of people who have left the JWs years ago and still carry that WT blood phobia inside their heads. Untold numbers of people who are terrified of giving blood. Who could give blood. But won't.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

OrphanCrow

I am going to share my isegesis of the Jesus myth. My own interpretation. And no, I don't have sources. I don't need any to interpret bibble myths. After all, my interpretation has as much validity as anybody else's interpretation of a mythic story.

Jesus had to die and shed blood. He couldn't just die. The shed blood was really important. And, it had to be a male who died - the act had to reaffirm divine patriarchy.

If you go back far enough in the history of human culture, early notions of 'god' and origins of life logically led early humans to conclude that 'god' was a woman. God had to be - after all...if god created everything, the woman was the best example of creativity - she made babies. She made life. Life came from inside of her. Ergo...God was a woman.

Lots of stuff happened through the course of human cultural evolution and of course, we know that patriarchy eventually became the model for the 'divine'. The female divine eventually was replaced with the male divine. And the male, in order to be seen as the originator of creation, had to bleed. Like a woman.

So, Jesus came to earth and shed his blood. For mankind. For men. He didn't come to save women - he didn't have to. Women already bleed.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

OrphanCrow

Stephane: He could have been beheaded like James for example.

But that would have made for really bad icons. What the heck would you hang on the wall? Just Jesus' head?

Nah...the cross is handy - it makes for better art . A severed head would be messy and hard to hang on the wall

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

DJS: Nine months ago Looter pretended to be 17. Now he's almost 21.
At this rate of aging 3 years every 4 months he will be 30 in one year and an old man in approximately 4 years.

Do you think he is even a man? Boy?

'He' seems to have to emphasize 'his' gender all the time. I wonder why that is? Eh...maybe he has a gender complex of some kind. And an age complex

Eh...whatever. I'm gonna go and read Abraham's Ten Commandments. Gotta go check to see if Abraham said "thou shalt not lie"

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Morbidity and mortality risk in J.W.. patients

by TheWonderofYou in

http://www.glowm.com/pdf/pph_2nd_edn_chap-72.pdf.

ta more recent (2009) study from the netherlands16 concluded that: ‘women who are jehovah’s witnesses are at a six times increased risk for maternal death, at a 130 times increased risk for maternal death because of major obstetric hemorrhage and at a 3.1 times increased risk for serious maternal morbidity because of obstetric hemorrhage, compared to the general dutch population.’.

the article highlights how j.w.-women are managed.. .

OrphanCrow

Women in the JW religion.

No power.

And not only that...a greatly increased risk of dying from loss of blood.

JW women. The most vulnerable with the least amount of power.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

looter: ...because that's the way you feel.

No.

That is not the way I feel.

It is the way I think.

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

OrphanCrow

Picking up where I left off, sort of...which was here, from Seeber/Shander's textbook Basics of Blood Management:

In 1979 the governing body of the Jehovah’ s Witnesses announced the formation of Hospital Liaison Committees...

Seeber/Shander go on to say this:

These continued to “support Jehovah’s Witnesses in
their determination to prevent their being given blood
transfusions, to clear away misunderstandings on the part
of doctors and hospitals, to establish a more cooperative
spirit between medical institutions and Witness patients
(our italics) ” and to “alert hospital staff to the fact that
there are valid alternatives to the infusion of blood ” .

It is in this paragraph that the SABM duo of Seeber/Shander try to distance the WTS from the HLC. The duo emphasize, through their italics, that it was the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves who desired the HLC. The responsibility for the medical intervention then comes, not from above, but is placed squarely on the individual's shoulders.

This is inaccurate.

Firstly, this account totally ignores that the individual JW's position has been dictated by the WTS to begin with. As James Penton pointed out, we are all "quite aware of the fact that a Jehovah's witness could be and would be disfellowshipped for voluntarily accepting a blood transfusion. "

Secondly, the Jehovah's Witnesses who were involved in the HLC were not representative of the general JW population. Penton has revealed that the JWs in Canada who were instrumental in setting up hospital committees were "leading Canadian Witnesses (including Watch Tower officials at the Canadian branch)". It is likely that these leading Canadian Witnesses had interests in the medical world and related fields. For example, Alex Tost was a chemist. And, in the States, there were several doctors besides Dr. Dixon, the Bethel doctor, who were Jehovah's Witnesses.

Dr. Dixon and Gene Smalley wrote Jehovah's Witnesses - The Surgical/Ethical Challenge which was published in JAMA 1981. In that article, Dixon/Smalley claim that

Jehovah's Witnesses accept medical and surgical treatment. In fact, scores of them are physicians, even surgeons.

Scores of JW doctors. How many is that? It is over 40 and probably less than 100.

I don't know who all these doctors were but some names are evident.

Mostly osteopathic doctors - Dr. W. E. Winslow. Dr. Henri Enfroy. Dr. Ronald Broadwater. Dr. Herk Hutchins. All JWs. And "scores" more, according to Dixon/Smalley.

There is a small part in the Dixon/Smalley article that I want to talk about. Keep in mind that this article was published only two years after the HLC went official and became a department of the WTS. The new hospital department had a mission: to promote the notion of not using donor blood - to promote the ideology of keeping blood pure, not contaminated.

Dixon/Smalley reveal that the WTS lobbied for support. They asked doctors to produce articles that supported their position.

In response to our request, Cooley recently did a statistical review of 1,026 operations, 22% on minors, and determined "that the risk of surgery in patients of the Jehovah's Witness group has not been substantially higher than for others."

I am going to take a break for now, and will return with more thoughts on what Dixon/Smalley said about Cooley's report. But in the meantime, if anybody is even reading this, and if you feel so inclined, I challenge anyone to find that "statistical review". Please do.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

OrphanCrow

That would have been very pointless...

It was. He watched his son bleed to death. And he did nothing

Exactly the same way that JWs watch their children bleed to death. They think it is okay too

I don't