Posts by OrphanCrow

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I don't think I will be able to escape the JWs ...

by nevaagain in

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i know i will get a lot of backslash on this forum for saying this, but as it looks like, i won't ever be able to escape the jws.

i have been a born in, third generation jw and awoken in one way or another (i joined this forum 15 years ago) for a very long time.

but i have adapted to the jw lifestyle to a point where it does not bother me anymore.

OrphanCrow

nevaagain: Yep folks that right, I am trying to meet new girls. I seem to be able to handle JW girls fine. But worldly girls ... I feel I am not experienced enough to handle them and it is so damn easy to meet girls if you are a JW. You go to a new congregation or a an assembly and you can meet lots of girls there.

Ah. So you are one of those men who give JW men a bad name. You troll JW assemblies and Kingdom Halls to scope out the female prospects. You do know there is a name for that?

I totally can understand that you prefer women who are vulnerable to male advances. Women "in the world" know that they have options. No wonder worldly women scare you.

Good luck...I hear that women are desperate in the org. You should do fine. Just look for the young and eager ones. They won't be able to tell which head it is that you are thinking with.

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Refusing blood transfusion: A free choice?

by StephaneLaliberte in

i wrote the following in relation to the mother in quebec who died for refusing a blood transfusion.

enjoy.

i personally grew up within the jehovah's witnesses and was a member in good standing until 2013 (aged 35), date at which i became inactive.

OrphanCrow

Stephane: What they fail to understand , or purposefully ignore, is that a blood transfusion would have given her all the red and white cells needed to fight this virus.

Exactly.

What they are ignoring is that Eloise's white blood cell count was lowered by her blood loss to the point that she was susceptible to infection without the body's resources to fight off that infection.

If Eloise had received a blood transfusion, her body would have had the white blood cells required to fight the infection and it is quite possible that she would never have an infection to begin with. (virus? was it really a virus or an infection?).

Erythropoietin. Yeah...the JWs believe that it is a miracle product that can magically restore blood cells. Well, it is rather remarkable that erythropoietin can stimulate red blood cell production in bone marrow. Its most common use is to be given to patients with kidney disease because our bodies produce erythropoietin naturally in our kidneys but this function is impaired in patients with kidney disease.

However, erythropoietin takes a significant amount of time to work (one website for dialysis patients claims that a person using it will take one to two months before they feel better) and the length of time it takes to work is what makes it less effective than a blood transfusion. It takes at least a full week of erythropoietin dosing to get the same benefit that only one unit of blood would give. And, in most cases after a uterine hemorrhaging incident, at least 3 units of blood are given.

Of course Erythropoietin didn't work - it is an inferior treatment option. Using it in the manner that the HLC recommends is an off label use of the product. (side note - erythropoietin is a banned substance for athletes - it is used for blood doping).

It is NOT superior to a blood transfusion in response to hemorrhaging and it comes with risks of its own. And it is expensive. If the HLC told the family that erythropoietin is superior to blood, they lied. It isn't.

It WAS the blood transfusion refusal that killed Eloise.

* to add - if the HLC really does have the patient's best interest in mind, where the hell were they when Eloise was making the decision to have a home birth? Why are JW women not told that their risk of dying from hemorrhaging is sky high in comparison to the general population? How come the HLC doesn't include that information on their 'pregnant woman' forms?

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Refusing blood transfusion: A free choice?

by StephaneLaliberte in

i wrote the following in relation to the mother in quebec who died for refusing a blood transfusion.

enjoy.

i personally grew up within the jehovah's witnesses and was a member in good standing until 2013 (aged 35), date at which i became inactive.

OrphanCrow

Stephane: These men inform Eloise that there is an alternative treatment that will bring her back to health. And according to a relative of Eloise, who shared information on Facebook, this treatment is presented not only as alternative, but in fact superior to blood transfusion, which is more risky. In fact, she said, hospitals suggest blood transfusion due to the fact that this treatment is far less expensive than the alternative.

Did that actually happen - that the HLC said there was an alternative treatment? Do you have any information on what this "alternative" was? Was Eloise told that this alternative was better?

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Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

by nicolaou in

jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

OrphanCrow

Jehovah's Witnesses accept Jesus as Christ, the Son of God.

But they don't accept that Jesus is God.

That is the defining difference between JWs and mainstream Christianity

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Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

by nicolaou in

jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

OrphanCrow

Many years ago, a Lutheran pastor told me that Jehovah's Witnesses weren't "Christians".

I was puzzled until she explained it to me. She said that the reason JWs weren't considered Christian is because they don't accept that Jesus was God. JWs reject the divinity of Jesus and therefore are not 'real' Christians.

Apparently, 'real' Christians believe that Jesus was God...not just a special angel.

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FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion

by AndersonsInfo in

i just received the following message from a friend this morning.. barbara.

eloise dupuis, 27 years old, died at the hotel dieu hospital in lévis, quebec, canada, wednesday, october 12th.

she died because of her religious principles.

OrphanCrow

Humph. That's interesting.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-jehovahs-witness-death-young-mom-investigation-1.3806578

When I first read this article on CBC, the comment section was open and there were many comments, and almost all of them were critical of the JWs. Today, all the comments are gone and the comment section is no longer open.

Someone must not have liked what was being said.

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How Many Deaths For lack of a Transfusion

by Giordano in

how many jw’s die each year for want of a blood transfusion?

according to the red cross and various national blood banks 4.5 million american lives are saved each year by blood transfusions.

... https://rrvbc.org/blood-facts/ .

OrphanCrow

Giordano: I got to live 40 more plus years after 5 pints of blood

Awesome.

Just imagine if the entire world bought into the WT's blood doctrine. Just imagine how many people would have died without blood technology. If the JWs "have the truth"....then everyone who has used blood transfusions should have died.

Which is really strange. Because without blood transfusions, bloodless surgery would NOT have developed. Bloodless surgical methods were developed using existing blood technologies.

Without blood transfusion technology, JWs all over would not have the option of using so-called bloodless methods. The whole premise of the bloodless industry is built upon the avoidance of donor blood, even though those bloodless methods rely on drugs and products made from blood and involves blood transfusions - transfusions of a patient's own blood.

JWs aren't opposed to blood transfusions - they are opposed to sharing blood. They have a blood phobia that demands they keep their blood 'pure' and not contaminated.

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How Many Deaths For lack of a Transfusion

by Giordano in

how many jw’s die each year for want of a blood transfusion?

according to the red cross and various national blood banks 4.5 million american lives are saved each year by blood transfusions.

... https://rrvbc.org/blood-facts/ .

OrphanCrow

Lookout: How many people receive blood transfusions, but then die?

Probably lots.

People receive blood in life threatening situations. Not everybody survives the trauma of blood loss, even with the help of a blood transfusion. Some medical events cannot be reversed.

However, the number of lives saved by blood transfusions is substantial. Mine was, for one. Blood saved my life. Blood from strangers who cared enough to be donors. Altruistic people donated blood so I could live.

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How Many Deaths For lack of a Transfusion

by Giordano in

how many jw’s die each year for want of a blood transfusion?

according to the red cross and various national blood banks 4.5 million american lives are saved each year by blood transfusions.

... https://rrvbc.org/blood-facts/ .

OrphanCrow

Gio: There are no over all statistics about loss of life due to non acceptance of blood.

I think those stats exist. They are just not made public. The Hospital Information Services of the WT has been keeping meticulous records for decades - even before they were known as an arm of the WT.

The blood death list is carefully guarded inside the HIS archives. The numbers are there - we just aren't privy to them

I have never looked into sickle cell disease so was stunned that advanced cases call for 4 pints of blood a month to sustain a person's life. 36% of JW's are people of color who are most often the ones to get sickle cell. How many died from that disease by refusing blood?

Exactly.

And not just sickle cell disease. Hemophilia, leukemia, thrombocytopenia,....

The WT pushes bloodless surgery methods as the cure-all solution for blood refusal and yet surgery is only one condition that may require blood. And not all surgeries do. Yet the WT has promoted bloodless methods as the panacea for their ridiculous blood ban.

Doing a statistical analysis of mortality rates due to blood refusal almost always uses the stats from surgical procedures and ignores the numbers of people who require blood for other reasons. Traumatic injury deaths and deaths due to surgical procedure do not give the whole picture. It is a much, much larger problem than what surgical bloodless methods can address.

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Utah Jehovah’s Witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

utah jehovah’s witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says.

a woman is suing a jehovah's witnesses church in weber county after, she says, one of its instructors repeatedly raped her when she was a minor and the organization's leadership forced her to listen to an audio recording of one of the assaults.. the woman filed the lawsuit wednesday in 2nd district court, accusing the kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses church in roy — as well as naming the alleged perpetrator, several church leaders and the watchtower bible and tract society (the religion's headquarters located in new york) — of knowingly allowing the "unfit" instructor to rise to a position of authority without warning members of his "dangerous propensities" and past sexual transgressions.. read more: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

OrphanCrow

Saename: Maybe it's the guy's fetish?

Well, if it was, the elders enabled his fetish to be acted out on upon the victim. She was forced to listen to 4/5 hours of the accused's recording. He must have really got off on that. Just like all the abusers do in judicial hearings....they like being able to face their accuser and have the victim re-live the experience. In front of others, too - a voyeuristic experience.

The JCs serve the desires of the accused. The JCs are just another acting out for the pervs - and one that is rewarded with 4 to 5 hours of their fetish being shared by a whole bunch of people - the victim, her parents, and the elders - they all get to participate in his sick desires, talk about it and listen to it.