Posts by OrphanCrow

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

RO: I am sure that...

That's nice.

What do you base your surety on?

What happened to "only facts, folks...give me facts and only facts"?

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

RO: ... if they do qualify for a grant that is not competitive and is formula based, they will apply for it and take it.

Thank you for confirming that.

The WTS takes advantage of the government granting systems. Just like I have thought.

The WTS is not fully subsidized by donations. The donations, though, do serve a purpose within most granting systems for non-profits. In order to "meet the requirements" for receiving funds, organizations have to show the agency distributing those grants that a certain percentage of their operating costs is supported by donations from their members.

Without the required amount of donations to present to those granting agencies, the WTS* would fail to qualify for certain grants.

*edit to add - the WTS is probably the wrong term to use. I would suspect that most of the grants for jw..org are run through the corporate structure call the "CCJW".

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

RO: Outlaw. Then if you know that why did you call them a first world nation.

Oh Richard. Outlaw didn't call "them" a first world nation.

Outlaw said: "1st Nations People"

Google it, Richard. You can add that to your "facts" file

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

Richard, google searching that information doesn't show that you know how the granting system works.

You miss the whole point of why I am making a big deal out of this.

You had said that governments offer grants to the WTS.

You made it sound like the WTS was approached with a gift and they just simply said "oh, thank you very much"

To repeat - the granting system does not work like that

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

RO: OK if you don't like the argument of student grants. The Department of Justice offers 41% of their grants for a formula based grant system, where if an organization meets the requirements for a grant it is then awarded to them without discretion.

Right. The awarding of the grant is dependent upon the organization "meeting requirements". The competition is built into the application process itself and doesn't appear in the final awarding of the grants - that competitive quality is fulfilled by the "meeting requirement" rule.

That still doesn't mean that the grant is "offered". The decision to apply for that grant still rests with the organization itself - it is not offered to them. It is a different process than what you implied with your original statement.

And thank you that information about the Justice Department grants. Would it be safe to assume you know that because of your association with the org under question? Did you have the opportunity to apply for some of those grants from the Justice Department on behalf of the WTS?

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

Richard, government grants are not "offered", regardless if you compete for them or not. *edit to add - your little bit about student grants is irrelevant to this topic

You are using watchtower speak and slipping sideways with your speech.

Just like with this comment:

" The Navajo nation is very happy that Watchtower is trying to present information in that language..."

Says who? The Watchtower?

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

Thank you for your reply, Richard.

Just one little comment. You said "...they do accept government grants when it is offered to them"

Government grants don't work that way. The grants are not "offered". Organizations apply and compete for them.

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

Joe: I also suspect that WT may be in receipt of government subsidies for 'promotion of the Welsh language'.

^^^This^^^

Richard Oliver, you come across as having knowledge about how the WTS operates. Any comment on the possibility that the org receives grants/subsidies/special considerations, etc., for providing language services?

Language revitalization is a popular global initiative. How does the org's language initiatives fit in that framework? Do they take advantage of the monies available for such an endeavor?

Or are the translation operations of the WTS simply a "charitable activity" that enables the org to have tax-free status?

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A problem for believers

by Bugbear in

a problem for believers!.

a majority of the world’s population acknowledge that they believe in a superior god or in their creator.

they also claim that they have got this special understanding and knowledge of his will and his law.

OrphanCrow

“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.” ― Susan B. Anthony.

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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

by wifibandit in

january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

OrphanCrow

RO: There is a legal definition of control over a corporation. The governing body does not have seats on the board of directors, nor are they voting members of the corporation. Technically the directors of the corporation can tell the GB to go and screw off if they wanted too, from a legal point of view. It is does the person have legal control over an organization or are they an employee of that corporation. The only thing that the GB are members of is the ROSFSJW.

Exactly.

That is what people on this forum and elsewhere have been saying for ages. And yet, whenever the suggestion comes up that the GB doesn't control the WTS and that the control of the org is "behind the scenes"...then everybody jumps up and down and accuses the person who made that claim as being a conspiracy nut.

All the energy that people put into railing against the GB is pretty much useless - it is the corporation that has the power, not the GB