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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  Fisherman: judicial cases (aka clergy/ penitent)

  wow

  Gotta love Watchtower Speak and how they have bent word usage to their standards

  Isn't that sort of the same as saying...ummm...apples (aka oranges/pears)

  
  
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  RO: because Orphan Crow made the assertion that Watchtower can and does monitor their members all the time, but chooses not to act when it comes to pedophilia.

  No. That is not what I said. It is sort of what I said...but not what I said.

  Yes, the Watchtower can and does monitor their members outside of "official" JW activities.

  But...it is the next part of your sentence that reveals how you twist the meaning of what has been said, Richard. This is where you show your greased pig persona:

  "...but choses not to act when it comes to pedophilia". That is the part where you use hyperbole to make your case.

  I was presenting another institution's policies surrounding the protection of minors and stating that the Watchtower doesn't have anything at all in place to protect victims of child sex abuse. You had said that the WT can't monitor activities in a person's home and I was talking about how the WT could certainly make certain behaviors a disfellowshipping or disciplinary offense - such as make it policy that minor children never have unsupervised sleepovers with an adult who is not their parent or specified guardian.

  The WT could have certain behaviors prohibited - of course they can't stop all bad behavior (don't be ridiculous, Richard) but they could at least define what behaviors are not to be engaged in - like having minor children over for sleepovers. Which is no different than making it an offense to sleepover at a home of a JW of the opposite sex. Which the WT defines as bad behavior. And that is where the WT could take a more proactive position in making membership in their institution responsible for the protection of minors. They could define the behavior that puts a child at risk and make it an offense for adults to engage in those defined behaviors - like having sleepovers.

  Richard, I did not say exactly what you said I did - you have taken my words and twisted them slightly to put them out of context.

  You are the one who emphasizes "facts" above all else and yet you have a difficult time in interpreting and using "facts" when they are presented to you.

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  Yes neverajw, that is exactly the problem. The WT wants their cake and eat it too.

  Richard claims that the WT can't regulate their members behavior outside of "official" JW activities and that is wrong. It isn't that the WT can't do it - it is that they won't do it when it comes to monitoring activities that could put a minor child in danger.
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  Richard: You should read the policy you are using as an example. Those policies only apply during official activities of the Boy Scouts. Nowhere in the complaint was there any accusation that the abuse took place during any official activities.

  I have read the policy. All of it. And other organization's policies as well.

  There are a couple points you are missing.

  Firstly, these policies exist and they have been designed to protect the victims (and that includes victims of unjust accusations). The Watchtower has nothing comparable. Nothing. They haven't even tried to put policies in place that are victim centered.

  Secondly, tell me what activities that a Jehovah's Witness does that aren't regulated by the Watchtower. All of their movements (and thoughts) outside of WT approved activities are monitored and disciplined. If that was the case that the WT has no control over things that a JW does outside of KH activities, etc, then the WT has no business disfellowshipping people for taking blood or lighting up a cigarette.
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  RO: "failing to limit one-on-one interactions between adults and minors."
  How can a religion or anyone other than parents limit the interactions that their children have. And how can anyone force another adult to limit their interactions with others. I know I know, people here will say, Watchtower does it all the time when they tell people not to communicate with DF'd people. But in reality if people want to communicate with someone else there is very little that Watchtower can do about it, both legally and practically. If someone wants to associate with someone else no organization can stop them. There are laws that can stop people from associating or coming within a certain distance of a person or class of person but a religion doesn't have that ability.
  "failing to ban or restrict overnight activities between congregants and minors"
  Here again, I am not blaming the parents, but how can Watchtower or anyone know what another person is doing at night in their private home. It is up to parents to know where their children are especially at night. No one can monitor people 24 hours a day and know who they are with and what they are doing at all the times.

  How? You really don't know?

  Here, Richard...educate yourself:

  Youth Protection and Adult Leadership

  If the Boys Scouts can do it, surely to gawd Jehovah's organization should be able to, seeing as how perfect they are and all of that...

  Policies that have been put in place like institutions like the Boys Scouts have been welcomed by the adult leaders themselves - the policies protect the children as well as protect the adults from false accusations or from unintentionally doing harm to a victim.

  *thanks, Steve :)
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  And by the way, Richard...you had said this:

  "In the complaint it talks about how Watchtower should prevent all interaction between any adult and child."

  You are wrong. Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. The complaint does not say that the WT should prevent all interaction between any adult and child.

  You need to check your hyperbole at the door, Richard.
  
  
  
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  Thank you, RO. that is helpful. When you say Page 11, you are actually referring to the points under #53 which states this:

  53. The Jehovah’s Witness Defendants were negligent and/or reckless including but not limited to, inter alia, the following:

  And, the points that you are speaking about - Points F and G - are two points in a list of 19 areas that are highlighted, that Fessler is claiming that the JWs/WT are deficient on in providing an adequate level of care to a minor.

  This is the entire list of all the points presented under #53 (because...you know...context is critical when examining "points")

  a. negligently failing to adopt, enforce and/or follow adequate policies and procedures as defined in this complaint for the protection and reasonable supervision of children against adult congregants with known dangerous propensities;

  b. failing to implement and comply with such procedures which had been adopted;

  c. negligently failing to train members so as to protect children against sexual abuse

  d. failing to train officers within the organization in the need to develop adequate policies for the safety of children including the implementation for clear and strictguidelines for interactions between congregants;

  e.failing to discourage harmful and inappropriate contact between members and participants, particularly between Terry Jeanne Monheim and the minor plaintiff;

  f.failing to limit one-to-one interactions between adult congregants and minors;

  g.failing to ban or restrict overnight activities between congregants and minors

  h.failing to develop and enforce "out of program" contact restrictions betweencongregants and minor participants, including plaintiff;

  i.failing to develop policies and procedures for the reporting of inappropriatesexual conduct within the organization;

  j.failing to develop policies and procedures for the mandatory reporting of suspected abuse of children discovered by these defendants;

  k.Failing to develop adequate policies and procedures to protect youths againstsexual abuse;

  l.failing to implement, enforce and/or follow adequate protective and supervisorymeasures for the protection of children including the "Two Deep Rule" or "TwoAdult Rule" as is followed in the Boy Scouts of America, religious organizationsand other organizations;

  m.negligently failing to adopt, enforce and/or follow policies and procedures asdefined in this complaint to protect minors against harmful contacts by some of itsmembers, including defendant Monheim;

  n.negligently failing to provide plaintiffs with any assistance in coping with theinjuries sustained after having placed plaintiff in a position of peril

  o.Breaching the duties imposed by Restatement (Second) of Torts, § 321, as adopted in Pennsylvania, by creating a risk of harm to children through failing to adopt adequate policies and procedures for the protection of children for the reasons stated herein and then failing to exercise reasonable care to prevent against that risk;

  p.Restatement (Second) of Torts, § 319 by failing to exercise reasonable care of Terry Jeanne Monheim, a person whom these defendants know or should know to be likely to cause bodily harm to others if not controlled;

  q.failing to adopt, implement and/or enforce policies and procedures for the reporting to law enforcement authorities and/or other authorities of harmful acts to children as required by Pennsylvania law as outlined in this complaint;

  r.failing to report Terry Jeanne Monheim’s harmful acts to authorities;s.violating the requirements of Pennsylvania's Child Protective Services Law constituting negligence per se regarding reporting of suspected abuse

  So, RO, out of that lengthy, 19 point list, you have selected these two points to present as the critical points of difference:

  f. failing to limit one-to-one interactions between adult congregants and minors;
  g.failing to ban or restrict overnight activities between congregants and minors

  Richard, you had said this about what Fessler had set out in this case (and the 19 point list I have posted are just a tiny tip of the complaint list - the list was just one point - #53 of 64 total):

  What the complaint set out in this case was pretty ridiculous in my opinion. In the complaint it talks about how Watchtower should prevent all interaction between any adult and child. Should monitor all activities of congregation members and so forth.

  Richard, you are the ridiculous one. Ridiculous way over the top and beyond. You pull out two tiny little points in a lengthy list of points and then use those two points (totally out of context) to label the complaint as ridiculous.

  Come closer so that I can slap you for being so ridiculous and stupid.

  Your Watchtower is showing big time, Richard. Go back to the Tower - they need you. They have to get ready for the ARC coming up in a few weeks - you will be valuable to them there - you will fit right in with all the rest of the stupid WT lawyers
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  OrphanCrow

  RO: This is from the complaint. I posted it earlier. These two are examples where the plantiff wants Watchtower to monitor the activities of all members:

  If you have posted it earlier, can you please direct us to the documents that you extracted your information from? I am having difficulty finding what you are referring to. Lots of articles but nothing "from the complaint"
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  Cart Witnessing On Their Wedding Day

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this photo is doing the rounds on jw inspirational on instagram.

  although the brothers and sisters think this is "oh so amazing" and "so cool" it's actually very sad and quite shocking.

  what, people cant even enjoy their wedding day without the cult invading their special day.

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  undertheradar: That said, the bride looks like she is doing her best to smile while posing for a picture that someone else suggested and she felt unable to graciously decline. Her expression seems to be saying, "This is ridiculous. Happy now?"

  This bride is in Poti, Georgia. She is likely concerned with getting the jworg promo shot done before they get beat up or arrested.

  Of course it is ridiculous. Over the top ridiculous

  blondie: It a sham, a posed picture that will be buried in the box of pictures.

  It won't be buried - it will be taken out and presented at the ECHR for their next appearance
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  OrphanCrow

  Listener: Yes, the definition I posted was from a simple Google search and you conveniently chose to quote only part of it and that part which does not apply.

  Lol! Yeah...trying to converse with RO is like chasing a greased pig, isn't it?