Posts by OrphanCrow

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Poll - Will you accept blood?

by OrphanCrow in

i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

i will post the new one .

OrphanCrow

talesin: There is no blood given if it's not necessary. "Bloodless surgery" is a misnomer. All surgery is bloodless, unless a blood transfusion is necessary.

Exactly.

I have had "7" surgical procedures and in only one was blood required and I didn't have so-called "bloodless" surgery.

Something that people don't realize is that "bloodless" surgery does not reduce the need for blood transfusions. (I will find the medical study that shows that...I need some time to find it among all the other stuff I have archived)

Bloodless surgery is not simply surgery without blood - bloodless surgery is all about blood - your own blood. In a bloodless procedure, your blood is drained from your body (in some cases, up to 80%), a volume expander is pumped into you to replace the fluid loss, your blood is then filtered and transfused back into you after the procedure is finished. In a bloodless method, your blood is handled way more than in a conventional procedure.

Bloodless surgery methods add an element of risk that is not there in conventional methods of surgery.

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Poll - Will you accept blood?

by OrphanCrow in

i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

i will post the new one .

OrphanCrow

Me too, dubstepped. I agree with Cofty's approach.

Cofty, you have stated a rational approach to medical care and one that isn't based on religious superstition.

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Poll - Will you accept blood?

by OrphanCrow in

i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

i will post the new one .

OrphanCrow

dubstepped: I wonder if some might feel regret after due to brainwashing.

I would think that guilt would be a factor and it wouldn't surprise if some do feel guilty.

I knew a JW man (now deceased) who was a hemophiliac. When the WT allowed fractions for his condition, he accepted them. However, according to my s-i-l who was a nurse at the hospital, he would ask the staff to put a towel over the bag of blood and cover the lines going into his arm because it upset him so much to see the blood.

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Poll - Will you accept blood?

by OrphanCrow in

i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

i will post the new one .

OrphanCrow

No, it won't accurately reflect the full impact. But it will give an idea of how many exJWs will still refuse blood.

From your reply, you sound like you fall into the middle group of "some" blood.

I wonder how people feel after accepting blood too.

I accepted blood. How did I feel? I felt alive. I would have died without blood and wouldn't be here to answer your question about how I felt.

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Poll - Will you accept blood?

by OrphanCrow in

i have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.

*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.

i will post the new one .

OrphanCrow

I have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the WT's no blood policy on ex members.

If you are an exJW, please participate.

vote here:

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*oops...hang on here...I have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once

I will post the new one

Here it is...please vote again if you used the first one

https://goo.gl/gddVtC

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

OrphanCrow

Blondie, please do not call me a liar. That isn't nice.

I READ THE LINKS.

A religious group that forbids ALL medical treatment is NOT the same as a religious group that specifically forbids blood transfusions for their patients.

A religious group that forbids ALL medical treatment cannot be included in a discussion concerning PATIENTS who refuse blood transfusions.

That religious group does not have patients - they don't seek out medical care so their refusal of medical treatment is a moot point when it comes to blood transfusions. And as far as the lengthy list you posted concerning minor children...it is STILL a moot point.

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

OrphanCrow

Blondie: OC: Still haven't read the links have you?
darkspliver: haha - a rhetorical question because we already know the answer

I have read those links.

And I have read many more just like them. I am familiar with Christian Scientist cases and with their teachings concerning medical care.

Both of you have missed my point completely.

*darkspliver...you are being an ass

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

OrphanCrow

"...cases of minor children of CS parents cases"

Minor children would receive medical care - including blood. A blood transfusion would be a non-issue in those cases.

"Also non-CS religions, smaller groups but just as difficult to deal with"

And those would be...?

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

OrphanCrow

Ha!

I knew that Christian Scientists would come up in this.

Tell me how the Christian Scientists ban on all medical treatment would effect the medical communities handling of no-blood procedures on Christian Scientist patients.

There are no Christian Scientists patients - they have excluded themselves from being considered for any medical care.

They don't qualify to be included in groups who forbid blood transfusions because their group doesn't exist at all when it comes to discussing medical care requirements.

Christian Scientists simply don't factor in when discussing blood transfusion refusal. It isn't like a doctor is faced with deciding whether to transfuse or not or what kind of medical procedures to follow when it come to the CS - there is no care - the CS person does not exist as a medical patient.

The Christian Scientist patient is a red herring - they don't exist.

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

OrphanCrow

Blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure. However, some groups, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, forbid blood transfusions on religious grounds.

I find the wording in the opening sentence problematic.

"However, some groups, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses..." gives the impression that there are more groups than just the Jehovah's Witnesses that forbid blood transfusions.

There isn't. I have yet to find any other group except the Jehovah's Witnesses that forbids blood transfusions.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONLY religious group that forbids blood transfusions.

This opening sentence misleads the reader right from the start by implying that the JWs are just one of others who also follow the same practice. There are no others.

What the medical world does grapple with, however, is the spill over effect of the WT anti-blood propaganda. They refer to " people who refuse blood transfusions for reasons unrelated to religion". This group includes all the exJWs who cannot shake the anti-blood indoctrination they have been exposed to by the WT.

"Reasons unrelated to religion" means that lots of those people have believed the pseudo-science that the WT has spread about the dangers of blood transfusions. The WT is responsible for instilling a blood phobia in their followers and that phobia has spread like a virus into the medical community and into the patient community at large.