Posts by OrphanCrow

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Abandoned literature carts, maybe the end of them?

by sp74bb in

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an innocent picture of a city in my country, spain.

the pic says everything.

many jw are really disgusted about everything, even their new preaching cart.

OrphanCrow

Saename: Jehovah's Witnesses at the university!?
Oh, I get it. You almost got me.

Lol! No, no! It isn't a joke.

The JWs have had a table at the university for the past several years. I have seen them there off and on when I wander down to campus. And I have received reports from friends who have seen them there.

I actually had a plan a couple years ago to print off the university's Religious Studies program's offerings and present it to them and encourage them to take some classes. But, for some reason, they haven't been there the last few times I have been at the university. I really expected them to be but I could just have not been there on the right week.

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

OrphanCrow

Yes, it isn't that the argument is "freedom of religion" - the argument is "what is religion (the institution) allowed to do"?

And now, all they give a damn about is the real estate.

Well, that and their precious Hospital Information Service. They have groomed the bloodless market in Russia for a long time now - they jumped on that one pretty quick back in the 90s. I doubt they want to give up on that investment.

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Abandoned literature carts, maybe the end of them?

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

an innocent picture of a city in my country, spain.

the pic says everything.

many jw are really disgusted about everything, even their new preaching cart.

OrphanCrow

A trustful source has informed me today that an important city in Spain is preparing to require all carts to obtain a licence to use the public areas, an insurance for civil claims and a clear identification of the owner of them...

I have yet to see a JW cart where I live. So I checked the city bylaws and found just what you describe. Requirements for licencing fees, liability insurance, ownership details, etc., all of which would require a fairly large $ outlay on the part of individual vendors.

And I haven't seen them in their usual table spot down at the university either. Pretty quiet here!

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

OrphanCrow

bibleexaminer: I find it amusing that the Watchtower was working to be designated as "victims of political repression".
One cannot be "politically neutral" and be politically repressed.

Isn't that called estoppel? Trying to have their cake and eat it too?

Regardless of where a person stands on the "freedom of religion" issue, what is apparent in this performance in Russia, is the duplicitous nature of the Watchtower machine.

'They' (WT/JW) twist and turn and slide...and poke fingers back. It is this - trying to say they are "politically repressed" when it doesn't apply - and their assertions that they are shiny faced innocent. To say - but we haven't imported any material in the last 2 years! is a misrepresentation. They had a shipment blocked at the border last year. From Finland, I think. And, we all were raised on stories of how smuggling literature into banned countries was the next thing to being touched with the hand of Jehovah himself.

Give me a break. They hide behind half truths and when that doesn't work, they jump up and down and say - look at you! look at all you do wrong!

Anything and everything to avoid addressing what it is that they really are: an organization that politically represses anyone and everyone they can pull into their net.

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

OrphanCrow

The Jehovah's Witnesses are politically repressed. By the Watchtower.

The repression is internal - the JWs are blocked from participating in the political life of a society by the very institution they belong to - The Watchtower Society is guilty of political repression.

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Apologists saying that the JWs shouldn't be banned, what the hell!??

by Crazyguy in

it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.

i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.

they are an extremist group!

OrphanCrow

dreary: What about the witnesses in restricted countries now (30 or so lands where they are outlawed). May be like Eritrea? Have JW's abandoned their blood doctrine there?

I don't know. You tell me. Have there been any reports of JWs refusing medical treatment in Ertrea? Does walking into hospitals and refusing blood transfusions make JWs in banned countries vulnerable to arrest?

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RUSSIA: (6 April 2017) Day 2 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

by jwleaks in

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tighter security today and much greater police presence.

great weather.. .

lunchtime view over moscow.. .

OrphanCrow

I noticed this exchange:

Dreary:....The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice a counter question: why does the Ministry of Justice ask both to liquidate the legal entity and to prohibit their activities. The judge is perplexed: how can you ban what does not exist. He clarifies whether the Ministry of Justice also demands that all unregistered groups be banned. The representative of the Ministry of Justice explains that he does not ask them to be banned, because Jehovah's Witnesses did not provide the department with information about unregistered groups.

Unregistered groups.

Would that be referring to those groups of JWs who refused to accept the WTS as authoritative because they had changed their doctrines so much during the banned years?

Groups like the Theocracy Publishers in the Ukraine, for example?

https://archive.org/search.php?query=theocracy%20publishers

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Apologists saying that the JWs shouldn't be banned, what the hell!??

by Crazyguy in

it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.

i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.

they are an extremist group!

OrphanCrow

Dreary: Do you know any period when Jw's...changed their blood doctrine during bans?

No. They didn't have to "change the blood doctrine" because it wasn't there when they got banned.

The blood doctrine (concerning blood transfusions) was developed, in and around 1945, after the ban. Many of those that were banned never adopted it to begin with *see above post about the Theocracy Publishers*

It is the WTS that has been concerned with getting those banned JWs to change the blood doctrine, not the other way around. Any changes that happened during the banned years concerning the blood doctrine came from the WTS, not from the banned JWs

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Apologists saying that the JWs shouldn't be banned, what the hell!??

by Crazyguy in

it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.

i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.

they are an extremist group!

OrphanCrow

BluesBrothers: The Soviets banned them and they grew faster underground. I grew up on stories of the brave JW's behind the Iron Curtain and those who smuggled in the literature. They were an inspiration to us all , and proof ( to us) that Satan could not thwart Jehovah's Organisation.

Well...that is what you were told. I don't think they grew faster - that sounds like a WT myth. I am not convinced.

There are several accounts of those banned, isolated little bands of JWs who emerged from hiding with copies of Rutherford literature clutched tightly in their hands. Which they rigorously defended, never re-joining the new and improved WTS. They view the WTS as "apostate" because the doctrine changed so much during their dark ages.

There is one of those groups that uploaded material to archive.org a few years ago. They call themselves the "Theocracy Publishers":

https://archive.org/search.php?query=theocracy%20publishers

I am wondering if those isolated little groups of JWs, are the ones that are a point of contention mentioned in the court when "unregistered" congregations are being discussed as to whether the ban should include them or not (sorry...can't find that part right now). It seems like there is some confusion as to if the Admin Center oversees all of them (?).

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Apologists saying that the JWs shouldn't be banned, what the hell!??

by Crazyguy in

it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.

i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.

they are an extremist group!

OrphanCrow

"freedom of religion is a fundamental human right"

So is "freedom from religion".

The freedom to believe is fundamental. The freedom to practice that belief bumps up against the freedoms of others, who have the fundamental right to be free from religious practice.