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  Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !

  by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

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  pretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .

  gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .

  “in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.

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  I think he has a case.

  Maybe a letter writing campaign will help him? Where do we send our letters of support?
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  RUSSIA: (7 April 2017) Day 3 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by Drearyweather in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in moscow, a soft rain drizzles.

  along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.

  a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.

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  Dreary: But on the first day, they reported all their denials that they got from the judge. Almost nothing was in their favor.

  Yeah...they were staging a persecution drama. Oh woe is us...the judge is mean.

  I'm getting confused. Yesterday, while arguing about medical treatment, why didn't the justice ministry present all the cases of deaths caused due to blood transfusion refusals? or is it that they don't have such data?

  You are confused. You are in a Russian courtroom, not an American one.

  It could simply be that the Russian court doesn't fall for the WT legal maneuvers designed to obfuscate the issue. The blood transfusion issue has already been addressed in Russian courts. That is already a matter of public record.

  It could also be that the court proceedings are just starting and that will be addressed later in the proceedings.

  Laws in Russia were only introduced in 2016 that make it a criminal offence to encourage others to not undertake lawful medical treatment. There have been no cases since the law was introduced which is why the JWs focused on 'no cases'.

  Jwleaks, you may be right that there hasn't been cases since 2016, but there certainly were before that date.

  If so, then why did the Ministry bring this point up?

  Because it was already something that was an issue in the courts. People already died from blood refusal, regardless if Russia's response didn't become Russian law until 2106. And, regardless if any cases made it into public record, we all know that the blood refusal doctrine hasn't changed.

  
  
  
  
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  Abandoned literature carts, maybe the end of them?

  by sp74bb in

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  an innocent picture of a city in my country, spain.

  the pic says everything.

  many jw are really disgusted about everything, even their new preaching cart.

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  Crazyguy: The carts and thier street witnessing is a complete waste of time

  But some company over in China made a sackful of money in the manufacturing and sale of those fancy little chariots of god. Who was invested in that company?
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  Abandoned literature carts, maybe the end of them?

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
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  an innocent picture of a city in my country, spain.

  the pic says everything.

  many jw are really disgusted about everything, even their new preaching cart.

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  Saename: Jehovah's Witnesses at the university!?
  Oh, I get it. You almost got me.

  Lol! No, no! It isn't a joke.

  The JWs have had a table at the university for the past several years. I have seen them there off and on when I wander down to campus. And I have received reports from friends who have seen them there.

  I actually had a plan a couple years ago to print off the university's Religious Studies program's offerings and present it to them and encourage them to take some classes. But, for some reason, they haven't been there the last few times I have been at the university. I really expected them to be but I could just have not been there on the right week.
  
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  Victims of "political repression"

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

  so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

  interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

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  Yes, it isn't that the argument is "freedom of religion" - the argument is "what is religion (the institution) allowed to do"?

  And now, all they give a damn about is the real estate.

  Well, that and their precious Hospital Information Service. They have groomed the bloodless market in Russia for a long time now - they jumped on that one pretty quick back in the 90s. I doubt they want to give up on that investment.
  
  
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  Abandoned literature carts, maybe the end of them?

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an innocent picture of a city in my country, spain.

  the pic says everything.

  many jw are really disgusted about everything, even their new preaching cart.

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  A trustful source has informed me today that an important city in Spain is preparing to require all carts to obtain a licence to use the public areas, an insurance for civil claims and a clear identification of the owner of them...

  I have yet to see a JW cart where I live. So I checked the city bylaws and found just what you describe. Requirements for licencing fees, liability insurance, ownership details, etc., all of which would require a fairly large $ outlay on the part of individual vendors.

  And I haven't seen them in their usual table spot down at the university either. Pretty quiet here!

  
  
  
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  Victims of "political repression"

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

  so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

  interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

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  bibleexaminer: I find it amusing that the Watchtower was working to be designated as "victims of political repression".
  One cannot be "politically neutral" and be politically repressed.

  Isn't that called estoppel? Trying to have their cake and eat it too?

  Regardless of where a person stands on the "freedom of religion" issue, what is apparent in this performance in Russia, is the duplicitous nature of the Watchtower machine.

  'They' (WT/JW) twist and turn and slide...and poke fingers back. It is this - trying to say they are "politically repressed" when it doesn't apply - and their assertions that they are shiny faced innocent. To say - but we haven't imported any material in the last 2 years! is a misrepresentation. They had a shipment blocked at the border last year. From Finland, I think. And, we all were raised on stories of how smuggling literature into banned countries was the next thing to being touched with the hand of Jehovah himself.

  Give me a break. They hide behind half truths and when that doesn't work, they jump up and down and say - look at you! look at all you do wrong!

  Anything and everything to avoid addressing what it is that they really are: an organization that politically represses anyone and everyone they can pull into their net.
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  Victims of "political repression"

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
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  political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

  so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

  interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

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  The Jehovah's Witnesses are politically repressed. By the Watchtower.

  The repression is internal - the JWs are blocked from participating in the political life of a society by the very institution they belong to - The Watchtower Society is guilty of political repression.
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  Apologists saying that the JWs shouldn't be banned, what the hell!??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's been brought to my attention that there are xjw that say they support the witnesses and don't think russia should ban them.

  i would just like to remind all of you that jws are guilty of murder, causing higher rates of suicide, covering up child molestation, and keeping members in prisoned because if they leave they loose family, financial support, possible employment etc.. sure their not strapping bombs to their chests but they easily get members to kill themselves with their blood policies.

  they are an extremist group!

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  dreary: What about the witnesses in restricted countries now (30 or so lands where they are outlawed). May be like Eritrea? Have JW's abandoned their blood doctrine there?

  I don't know. You tell me. Have there been any reports of JWs refusing medical treatment in Ertrea? Does walking into hospitals and refusing blood transfusions make JWs in banned countries vulnerable to arrest?
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  RUSSIA: (6 April 2017) Day 2 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tighter security today and much greater police presence.

  great weather.. .

  lunchtime view over moscow.. .

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  I noticed this exchange:

  Dreary:....The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice a counter question: why does the Ministry of Justice ask both to liquidate the legal entity and to prohibit their activities. The judge is perplexed: how can you ban what does not exist. He clarifies whether the Ministry of Justice also demands that all unregistered groups be banned. The representative of the Ministry of Justice explains that he does not ask them to be banned, because Jehovah's Witnesses did not provide the department with information about unregistered groups.

  Unregistered groups.

  Would that be referring to those groups of JWs who refused to accept the WTS as authoritative because they had changed their doctrines so much during the banned years?

  Groups like the Theocracy Publishers in the Ukraine, for example?

  https://archive.org/search.php?query=theocracy%20publishers