Oops...I am sorry.
I just realized I didn't post a link to the article in the OP
OrphanCrow
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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia
by OrphanCrow inthe way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.
it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).
if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .
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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia
by OrphanCrow inthe way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.
it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).
if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .
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Yes, Wifi, those are the letters that caused the org so much trouble in the Russian court.
You will note that the letters are dated in February - instructing the local congregations to hold onto the donations and "later, we will inform you what to do...", and the Administrative Center was inspected on March 15. They held funds in anticipation of being shut down.
It's only ever been about the money with WT. Every decision they make, every revelation of nu-lite boils down to $$$.
Uh-oh
Somebody's in trouble ...
Wow. The JW religion just looks worse and worse, although we should not be surprised.The WTS, God's chosen trumpet of truth, can never, ever do anything honestly, can they? It is always about skirting the law, pushing the law, and defying the law.
I think the WTS/GB wor$hip the god of $$$$. That is why their faces are all shiny - it is the reflection of gold. $$$ in their eyes.
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TD: The "myth" is that there is always time for a court order. I would agree that there are many transfusion scenarios where that is the case, but certainly not all.
You are right. Absolutely not all.
All you have to do is go to google scholar and type in "pediatric Jehovah's Witness no blood transfusion" and you will find out that LOTS of JW children undergo procedures without the use of blood. Instead, they are subjected to "alternative" procedures - sometimes quite ghastly ones.
The WTS has actively pursued that pediatric population - ever since back in the early 70's when "interested JWs" published their first volume of "Alternative Procedures" - directed at pediatric care of JW children.
Do all JW children get blood if they need it? Of course they don't. Especially if the "smart"/spiritual/rich JWs take them to "bloodless" centers where the "cooperative doctors" that have been recruited by the WT's HLC squad practice their brand of medicine. Those children will never get an opportunity for the court to intervene. The doctors will never apply for an order - neither them or the rest of the JW nursing staff and bloodless coordinators (usually JWs) that swell the ranks of those kind of medical treatment centers.
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Russian news article re: financial misdeeds of the WT in Russia
by OrphanCrow inthe way that the wt conducts business in russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the jws falling afoul of the russian authorities.
it wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.. this article is from a russian news source - i had to use google translate to read it, so i have copied and pasted the whole article (i usually don't...apologies to the author of the article).
if someone has russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.. .
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The way that the WT conducts business in Russia, hiding ownership of property and moving money overseas, was a large factor in the JWs falling afoul of the Russian authorities. It wasn't just 'extremist' views that came into play, it was also their handling of money that was illegal.
This article is from a Russian news source - I had to use google translate to read it, so I have copied and pasted the whole article (I usually don't...apologies to the author of the article). If someone has Russian language skills, please feel welcome to offer a better translation.
The directive from the US: "Jehovah's Witnesses" operate in Russia illegally
April 21, 2017 20:57 Alexander Buzaladze
Lay low, to work illegally and smuggle billions of dollars in assets overseas. This secret directive came to Russia from the headquarters of "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the United States. On the eve of the Supreme Court admitted the sect of extremist organization and banned it in our country. Untold riches belonging to leaders of the sect, shall be confiscated.
Judging by the number of cars in front of the Moscow kingdom hall "Jehovah's Witnesses" - takes place in some kind of meeting or service.
We wanted to record the interview on the first day after the close of a religious organization, but we were not allowed inside the premises.
"Incitement to religious hatred, publication of specific literature that demonstrates not only that our religion is true, but a demonstration of the negative traits of other religions - the destruction of its moral and ideological" - so explained to ban the activities of "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the territory of the Russian religious scholar Larisa Astakhov.
Nearly 9 million believers worldwide. Sermons are conducted in 240 countries. Profit on one product only typographic extremist - billions.
"In every country where" Jehovah's Witnesses "offer to develop normally, we get about half a percent of the population belonging to this organization we have it in this case, approximately 700-800 thousand people." - said Astakhov.
In each city, Russia, in every major regional and district centers have Jehovist parish. Toptuny preachers, they also tax collector, foxes scratching at the door catch on the outside of potential victims.
Now that the extremist sect recognized - from the Brooklyn headquarters of the US secret distribution list has come to Russia.
"To us came into possession of such documents, which show that the" Jehovah's Witnesses "very actively trying to renew properties to foreign physical entities - the same" Witnesses ", only representing other states" - said Alexander Korelov, religious , chairman of the legal center of the Russian Association of centers for the study of religion and sects.
In short, almost 300 properties across the country, business assets, apartments, secret wards, vehicles - all this seems to be reissued and somewhere to cross.
"In fact, religion is there, as everywhere is on the second to the third plane Basically all the same, it is money and political influence in the country where they reside." - says Korelov.
Petersburger Sergei Ozerov for many weeks for the first time included in his apartment. Adopted son rewrote the apartment in favor of the "Jehovah's Witnesses".
"It is to this sect, come to him of its members, then they are going to constantly" - outraged the lake.
He does not understand how this could happen, but it can not do anything - documents and dedicatory already decorated. Son helped some clever lawyers.
According to Ozerov, they were from Brooklyn. The sect's son Sergei persuaded to give all that is, including flat - in fact all the same will soon end.
While in the situation dealt with the investigators, Sergei Ozerov live nowhere. I hope that the apartment be returned - almost none. For "Jehovah's Witnesses" is worth a serious law firm and money. And this is not an isolated case in the country.
Now, to save assets acquired by Jehovah's Witnesses seek moves increasingly black.
While we were trying to find another entrance to the Kingdom Hall, and found okolosektantskih "reshalschikov" - they are now and scurry. Seeing us, people in expensive shoes, and with the voice of the preacher decided to retire.
"Thank you, I do not like to communicate -. Why, tell me -? Well, I have already answered - What are you, have gone into hiding - No, I'm going on the ground -. Do you believe -? Good luck."
According to experts, a sect banned from Russia as just will not go away - at Jehovist ideologues in this case developed a very specific plan - lay low and work underground.
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Gayle: Any organization, political, religious or other, that puts 'in print,' and verbalizes that their members should 'obey' any leadership, even if it may not make sense to their members, is frighteningly EXTREMIST!!!
Absolutely. Take that directive out of the context of what we have been to conditioned to think of as "religion" and it becomes something different than merely "belief in a god".
Here is my hint of the day: Be very careful how you describe your past affiliation with a global, networked organization (if you are trying to avoid the words cult, religion, god...and the best you can come up with is all the 'old' 60s language of 'not a religion!'), and especially, if the person you are saying this to..."global networked organization"...happens to be a police officer.
Watch the reaction of that nice police officer...and then run at the first opportunity - the minute he leaves the room to "get somebody else"....once you say it was a religious network....
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pbrow: What good is society if it should not be burdened to protect its children
And what good is religion if it should not be burdened to protect its children?
And why should the rest of society be burdened with the task of fighting against the barbaric practice of child sacrifice? For the past 60 years and more? Why? When way back in 1959, the courts ruled that the parents refusing blood was in violation of a SCOTUS ruling? And that was played out over and over again over the years?
http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/bloode.html
Why? Why do parents still refuse blood for children when it is clearly in direct violation of the law? It always has been but has the WTS adjusted their teaching? To allow parents to follow the law and to protect children - like the rest of the world does? Like they have been told to, time and time and time and time again by the courts of the land?
No. The WTS refuses to comply with the law. They still tell JW parents to say no to blood for their children. And doctors and hospitals still have to be the ones to take moral responsibility for JW babies.
A burden for society? Yes. A costly and unnecessary burden. One that has not always worked and has left lots of dead children and babies in the destructive wake of an old pagan practice of sacrificing children for your own salvation.
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Ruby456: violence is regulated amongst Jehovahs witnesses.
Yes, it is. There is the internal violence that you speak of. But there is also the violence that their behavior has been designed to instigate.
Think of the way that most legal systems handle court ordered restraining orders. When there is violence or potential for violence in a situation, both parties - the victim and the abuser - are bound by the terms of no contact. The abuser (potential aggressor) and the victim (potential target) cannot contact each other. If the victim violates those terms, and puts themselves intentionally in harm's way, the order is null and void.
The JWs are instructed by the WTS to put themselves in harms' way. They deliberately instigate violence against them. They relish it. They have been trained to do so.
The JWs like violence - they instigate it and then stand back and say "who, me? look at everybody else hitting us!"
They call themselves peaceful....in their pursuit of violent encounters. They seek out violence and claim no responsibility in making that violence turn on them.
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pbrow: The ever popular "jw's will let their children die rather then give blood transfusions" has turned into a moot point here. The state will take temporary custody of a child for the length of time it takes for the treatment to happen. Kid gets treatment, parents save face and all is right in the world.
That doesn't always happen. That is just what you see and are told. It is a myth.
And besides, why should our society be burdened with the legal cost of stepping in so parents can't practice child sacrifice? What is wrong with the WTS that they make the rest of the world act responsibly just because they won't? How does that make it all right with the world?
Bullshit. That does not make it all right with the world. Not in the least.
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The WTS' blood doctrine has made the Jehovah's Witnesses into a suicide cult and one that practices child sacrifice.
The 'no blood card/directive' that they carry is their suicide bomb - and when it goes off....it splatters blood all over the place. On family members, friends, legal and medical professionals...anyone around them.
Not only do they practice child sacrifice, they argue in the courts for the religious right to do so. And they have been setting off their blood bombs for over 7 decades now.
*medical terrorism
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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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You are right, Flipper - it is a difficult situation.
It is difficult to observe from the "outside", not only from the outside of the jworg but also from the outside of Russia.
Russia deals with terrorism in a way that we don't - their experience with a major terrorist event happened before America had to deal with it and not only that, but the countries where the seeds of that terrorist activity are born, butt right up against Russia - they are right next door and ever present. Russia shares borders with several volatile areas and those borders are permeable when "missionary" activity goes unchecked. Infiltration of established networked organizations is a very real threat.
Regardless of the JWs "neutral" stand, and regardless of how righteous individual congregations and JWs are, the way that their org is structured makes it very vulnerable to unknown terrorist elements. Unknown even to the JWs themselves. Combine that with the way that the org moves money around, and the entire structure of the JWs in Russia becomes not only suspect, but recognized as a vulnerable institution.
The JWs lack of awareness in today's terrorist climate is what gets them into trouble. It isn't the 50s or 60s or even the 80s anymore - it is the 21st century where we are dealing with different factors. The question that the org/JWs really should be asking is this - why does their organization fit the description of an organization that can be classified as "extreme"?
They have been labelled "extremist" but that is only because that label now exists in a legal context. They have always been extreme in their teachings and actions. Given the current climate, we have been conditioned to equate "extreme" with extreme violence but there are many forms of "extreme" that appear to be non-violent yet leave destruction and harm in their wake. The Watchtower Society is one of those apparent "benign" forces that leaves nothing but twisted and burned landscapes behind it.
And another thing...a comment or two about Chechnya. I have heard many reactions to "the gays in Chechnya" and equating the treatment of JWs to that situation.
Firstly - being gay isn't a "belief". That is obvious. And I am as much against the mistreatment of gay people as anyone is.
Secondly, the situation in Chechnya has context that should be considered. Russia barely, just barely, holds onto that tiger by a tenuous grip of its tail. The conflicts and tensions in that area go back centuries and it has only been recently that the full boil of war in Chechnya has lowered to a simmer. It was as recently as the 90s and early 2000s that war was active in that region - war between the Chechnyans and Russia. To hold Russia responsible for Chechnya's (97% Muslim population) treatment of people within its borders, and discuss it in relation to the ban on JWs, is unrealistic.