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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Where the hell is that f***ing edit button??

  I forgot something - what about the JWs who are invested in the bloodless industry?
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Ruby: your strange conspiracy theories regarding some people in the medical establishment being in cahoots with Jehovahs witnesses

  My edit button is non-existent. Sorry that I missed your addition to your reply.

  Conspiracy theory? How silly. Such a typical response to material you don't like or material that you don't have the where with all to look into.

  Please, then, maybe you have a better explanation for the extraordinarily large numbers of Jehovah's Witnesses that work in the bloodless industry? What about the HLC members who climbed the bloodless ladder to world prominence in the PBM world? The JW doctor who wrote the textbook for BM? The bloodless centers that were established by JWs? etc etc
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  OrphanCrow

  Ruby: But the point (that you are missing in your hurry to condemn my views to nothingness) is that Jehovahs witnesses are very very unlikely to compromise their position and it will take a change in the world outside and their use of blood for witnesses to not need to die because of refusing a blood transfusion.

  But that has nothing to do with whether or not blood medicine will be eventually considered "old fashioned". Just because JWs won't compromise does not lead to the conclusion that "blood medicine will be considered old fashioned".

  Your conclusion does not lead logically from your premise.

  You do not have anything to base your assertion on that blood medicine will eventually be replaced other than what you 'think' and what you think is simply based on your assumption that JWs will not compromise.

  New flash - JWs have compromised and they will continue to compromise whenever the WTS (PBM) tells them to. JWs do use blood. Every time one of them enters a bloodless program, they are using blood components. So-called bloodless medicine is built on blood technology and it is medicine that relies heavily on blood component technology.
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Ruby: I think this will happen eventually because medicine seeks to acheive less and less risks in the medicines used even if those risks are very very low and even if so low as to be almost insignificant

  Yes. That is why blood transfusions have become safer and safer until now, a blood transfusion is the safest medical intervention available.

  The pursuit of alternatives to blood transfusion has given the world alternatives that carry more risks than blood itself. MORE risks.
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  OrphanCrow

  Ruby: I just think that ...

  So. You just think that but you have nothing to back up why you think that. You don't know why you think that the practice of blood transfusion will one day be considered very old fashioned but you think that anyways.

  Okay.

  Just a pipe dream then. Nothing substantial.

  You have nothing at all on which to base your fantasy of a future without blood medicine. You are just thinking it and then saying it. Your thoughts are unsubstantiated and you are just using words that sound good but mean nothing.
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Ruby, you didn't answer the question I asked. I asked "why" do you think that 'blood medicine' will be replaced by 'other methods'? Why do you think that 'other methods' can replace the use of 'blood medicine'?

  Are you not aware that non-blood medicine includes components of blood? That all PBM programs use blood fractions and blood components? That so-called 'artificial blood' is made from either human blood or bovine blood?

  What I am interested in knowing is if you have information that you base your assertion on that leads you to believe that blood as a medical intervention will no longer be needed and that "blood medicine" will no longer be used. If you have that information, and you are not simply regurgitating the bloodless industry promise of a future where blood is replaced with a synthetically manufactured product, please do share your source.
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  OrphanCrow

  Ruby: i honestly think blood medicine will be replaced by other methods eventually

  Can you expand on that? What do you mean by that? And....why do you think that?
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  what is the craziest book the dubbers ever published?

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?

  i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?

  also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.

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  The Finished Mystery is the brainchild of a self-proclaimed demon possessed person (and his sidekick). The book certainly reflects that insanity.

  That book, however, spawned a whole genre of craziness in the form of a magazine series - the Golden Age magazine. For a trip down the rabbit hole of historical madness and quack science/medicine, just read some of those old gems.

  https://archive.org/search.php?query=Golden%20Age%20magazine
  
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  OrphanCrow

  Bluesbrother: There were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :
  1) this happened decades ago. A solution was quickly found and the problem should have been minimised . The scandal is the slowness of remedial action and the cover-up.
  2) The subjects of the programme had received Factor Eight for Haemophilia . This serum was allowed by the WTS at the time (as a conscience matter) and ,of course still is today.
  3) The current version of the Advance Medical Document ,the "Blood Card", does not even allow for the total abstainer. It just states that as a J W you refuse blood, and the main four components . No choices , just sign it and give The Secretary a copy....
  So this means that if such a risk should still occur again, Jehovah's Witnesses are just as much in danger as anybody else. Watchtower policy does not protect them. Yet still I hear the statements from individuals about how much they are protected by being "in the Truth".
  What is the matter ?Are they blinkered?

  Yes, they are blinkered. Or, more likely - blindfolded.

  The WT has put a quasi scientific spin on their so-called religious doctrine on blood for so long now that even the legal and 'outside' medical community has been blinkered. And blindsided.

  The so-called blood doctrine has changed and evolved in exactly the same ways that the bloodless industry (now evolved into "patient blood management") has demanded it to change. The parameters of the blood doctrine match, not the Bible from which the WT claims it comes from, but, rather, the parameters of Patient Blood Management. With one crucial difference. The JW patient cannot have that life-saving transfusion if they bleed out uncontrollably.

  I wish I could find the source and quote of what I am about to say - but it is alluding me at the moment. The one single industry that profited the most from the HIV/AIDS blood scandal was the bloodless industry (I know I have the source for this somewhere...). That is the industry that made the most money from contaminated blood.

  And where the seed money for that industry come from? Well...I think we all know the answer to that. For those of you who don't, this is a quote from Scott Carney's The Red Market (pg 235):

  ...certain religious groups - most notably Jehovah's Witnesses - were opposed to any sort of blood transfusion. Over the years the complete lack of demand among these people led to private investment and eventually to great strides forward in the field of bloodless surgeries. At first doctors wasted blood in order to gain more surgical sophistication; however, when they could not extend the benefits of routine procedures to everyone, the prohibition of blood use created a boom in technologies that reduced blood loss across the board.

  Private investment? Of course - wealthy and speculative Jehovah's Witnesses. Profiting off the blood ban. Profiting from the HIV/AIDS tainted blood scandal. Someone somewhere made a LOT of money from investing in the bloodless industry. And I bet that whoever they were/are, make large donations to the WTS. (California investment in the "pioneer" of bloodless surgery - hospitals and insurance programs - owned by JWs...etc, etc)

  And about that "boom in technologies". The technology that the so-called bloodless industry relies on would not exist if not for blood transfusion technology. The entire bloodless industry is built on the back of existing blood technology - without blood transfusions, there would be no bloodless surgery.

  So, how does that fit into the notion that Jehovah doesn't want people to share blood? Did he just sit up there watching all those poor misguided people having blood transfusions and then said..."Oh look! That blood transfusion technology - that thing I told my people not to do - is something that people can use now to avoid blood sharing! Yay! My JWs are so smart - they can now show the world how smart they have been all along!" (and just think of the profits that can be donated to Jehovah).
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  (damn...edit button is gone)

  And, furthermore, would the parents be held responsible, if, after keeping that secret and not reporting it, the son went out and committed a third murder.

  Are the parents responsible for the third murder?