yay!
now kids can help draw lot's wife getting destroyed.. .
WasanElderonce: It's interesting that Mrs. Lot is turning into salt before she even leaves the city. She is turning around so soon. Most illustrations have her on a mountainside looking back.
What is interesting is that the story of Lot's wife is a mythic interpretation of a natural occurrence.
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~pm9k/Writings/sodom.html
The natural salt formation, that the Lot's wife myth developed from, does stand on the mountainside:
yay!
now kids can help draw lot's wife getting destroyed.. .
Tallon: Is this for real ?
Yes, it is.
From 4 years ago:
gb member sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent russian ban.
it was given as a morning worship rant.
sanderson sports his usual smirk.. he opens up quoting matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution.
I think that the "spokesman for the Russian Orthodox church", that Sandy mentions, is Alexander Dvorkin. Dvorkin is the GB's nemesis.
Not only did Dvorkin accuse the JWs of "not being Christian" because of their lack of belief in the divinity of Christ, but he also said this about the JWs:
Orthodox activist criticizes Jehovah's Witnesses in Russian parliament
FAMOUS SECT SCHOLAR ACCUSES JEHOVISTS OF DENYING CONSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE AND RIGHT TO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM
Interfax-Religiia, 17 May 2017
By its prohibition of participation in elections, the Jehovah's Witnesses sect denies the constitutional structure of the state and human rights, and therefore it does not have the right to legitimate existence, declared the famous sect scholar Alexander Dvorkin during the first expanded session of the inter-fractional deputies' group for defense of Christian values.
"Jehovah's Witnesses forbid their devotees to choose even to go to elections. This means that the organization does not recognize, in principle, the constitutional structure of the country. Thus why should they occupy a legal position?" A. Dvorkin said at a session in the State Duma on Wednesday.
At the same time, he emphasized that the Jehovah's Witnesses violate human rights also.
"In the first place, they attract people through deceit, which is a violation of their rights. Second, when a person enters into the organization, a most strict control over their activity begins. What kind of family can there be if even spouses are constantly spying on one another! Jehovah's Witnesses have a dossier on each of their members and all these files are continually sent to the headquarters in the U.S.A. This is a gross violation of rights. When the life and health of people are placed under threat because of the absurd prohibition on blood transfusion, this is not a personal choice but pressure of the organization," he said.
The sect scholar said that the struggle with the Jehovah's Witnesses is only the beginning of the struggle with sectarianism, since there also exist Scientology and other similar organizations.
http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170517b.html
BluesBrother: I heard no ""hate speech" in here.....just spin and turning a bad situation to their advantage..
Sandy put on a bit of a rant. Not sure if it falls into that place that can be legally defined as "hate speech" but Sanderson's speech is definitely meant to provoke. And he reveals what it is meant to provoke at the end of his rant - he wants to provoke hatred. That is what, according to him, defines the "true" religion - whether others will hate them or not. Hatred directed towards the JWs is good.
Sanderson wants to whip up persecution. That is his purpose and he stated it quite plainly. His speech is meant to provoke hatred and he even had a scripture to back it up.
gb member sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent russian ban.
it was given as a morning worship rant.
sanderson sports his usual smirk.. he opens up quoting matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution.
Listener: Sanderson also quotes a news report (lol) where a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox church claims JWs cannot be called Christians because they do not believe Jesus is God and Savour or in the trinity doctrine and he welcomed the Supreme Court decision because the pernivious and harmful influence of the JWs would now start to decline. Happy Sandy said that the 'hatred of the Devil'' was in those comments.
I think that the main thrust of the video was a response to the Russian Orthodox priest's comments.
It was Sanderson's very first comments that made me raise my eyebrows. This part of the scripture that he read : "You will be hated by all people on account of my name..." is so out of place in the JW theology. The JWs have pounded it into everyone's head that they use the name of Jehovah...not Jesus. Ask any JW whose name they make known and they will say JEHOVAH's name. Not Jesus.
And then he used Rev 12:17...again, a scripture that refers to the name of Jesus, not Jehovah.
Jesus was mentioned far more in this talk than usual. Jehovah was playing second string. Barely mentioned.
Sanderson had his panties in a knot over the Russian Orthodox assertion that JWs "don't believe in Jesus".
He slowed down and did some "pausing for emphasis" when he talked about the early Christians being "accused of sacrificing children...and consuming their blood and flesh"...*pause*...I think this was meant to be a response to the accusation that JWs refuse life-saving blood transfusions for their children.
There is something really bizarre about how Sandy labels the world as being under the control of Satan and yet, he lapped up the attention from anyone in the world who showed any kind of support for the JWs at all, especially if they were critics of JWs and if they were important politicians.
But...what about all those important meetings with important ambassadors from important countries that Sanderson set up in Moscow when he attended the Supreme Court hearing there? How much does anyone want to bet that Sanderson et al met with the German ambassador? Especially since the German Branch of the WTS tried to get standing with the court (and failed) because they were the ones who do most of the printing of that "extremist" literature.
Merkel was groomed. By the WTS. They have mega interests in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
"Wow Grandpa, I didn't know you had to endure all that."
Endurance.
The theme is endurance. Endurance through hard times.
It is unbelievable that the ones who remained and "adjusted their thinking" are now being portrayed as the victims who endured through that time of Armageddon hype. Those JWs who adjusted their thinking are now being held up as examples of endurance.
Endurance through hard times. Geez...I wonder what "hard times" the JWs are going through now. Why is being a JW so hard?
using firefox / windows 7.. can't select the size of the topic preview.
i click on the "none" (or any other choice) but nothing changes..
Help!
The previews work fine now but I am still unable to edit
Thx Simon
child abuse royal commission: justice mcclellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy.
every major australian church has been cautioned to better protect children or risk illegitimacy.in a speech to the national council of churches, the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse chairman justice peter mcclellan urged religious leaders to act on his recommendations.
"what we can be certain of is that any institution which does not acknowledge past wrongs and the need for change will lose the confidence of australians," he said via a recorded video.. read more and watch video of speech (26.02 long) at link:.
Oops. I think the last word in the quote should be 'offenders' rather than 'defenders'.
The questions that Justice McClellan raises are worth thinking about.
What is it about a belief in God that fosters so much abuse of the child?
Is religion/God abusive to begin with?
Do those who give up their personal power to a god turn around and act out their need for power on those who are the most vulnerable? Does submission to a divine power create a need for the power that an abusive act against a child would give a person?
Divine power appears to be a perversion of power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.
no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.
instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .
Oh.
So that is what the '75 fiasco was.
A test.
It was a test. A frigging test.
For a god that is supposed to be able to see into a person's heart, Jah sure likes to waste time in playing games.
child abuse royal commission: justice mcclellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy.
every major australian church has been cautioned to better protect children or risk illegitimacy.in a speech to the national council of churches, the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse chairman justice peter mcclellan urged religious leaders to act on his recommendations.
"what we can be certain of is that any institution which does not acknowledge past wrongs and the need for change will lose the confidence of australians," he said via a recorded video.. read more and watch video of speech (26.02 long) at link:.
Child abuse royal commission: Justice McClellan warns churches to change or risk illegitimacy
Every major Australian church has been cautioned to better protect children or risk illegitimacy.
In a speech to the National Council of Churches, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse chairman Justice Peter McClellan urged religious leaders to act on his recommendations.
"What we can be certain of is that any institution which does not acknowledge past wrongs and the need for change will lose the confidence of Australians," he said via a recorded video.
read more and watch video of speech (26.02 long) at link:
*thank you to reddit poster snuffinhuffin for this quote:
at 16:34:
""The majority of the allegations we have received, have emerged from faith-based institutions. This inevitably raises the question, why? Why is it that in institutions which proclaim faith in god, and embrace the highest ethical and moral principles, so many children have been abused? Why do some people who proclaim their faith, and have accepted a life of religious endeavor, breach their obligations to children? Is there something in either the structure, culture or personal qualities of members of the churches and other religious bodies, whether lay or ordained, that gives them such a prominent place amongst defenders?"
may 15, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: regular pioneers.
uk version.
waton: WTBtS uses the reported free hours of jws as proof of their noncommercial charity status. so, they have, to my knowledge, never disciplined anyone for fudging the hours, upward.
Exactly.
As long as the department that records volunteer hours for the charity has numbers to submit to the tax man, they could care less how accurate the numbers are - just as long as the number is reported...that is all that really counts.
Go ahead and fudge the number of hours actually put in - it is the reporting of those hours that helps the congregations and, by extension, the WTS, stay tax free.
Hours spent in field ministry is "outreach work" done by charitable volunteers.
