I can confidentially say that there are subliminal images deliberately inserted into WT images...
Actually...it isn't confidential at all.
"I can confidently say..."
*Haha! Good catch, CoC
OrphanCrow
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Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?
by UnshackleTheChains ini remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.
i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.
i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?
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Canadian Medical Doctor Exposes Dr. Aryeh Shander's Faulty Bloodless Research
by OrphanCrow inin the june 2016 issue of cmaj, dr. hebert published an article, survival without transfusion is possible but not recommended for all, that critiques dr. aryeh shander's research study outcomes of protocol-driven care of critically ill severely anemic patients for whom blood transfusion is not an option, published in critical care medicine 2016. .
http://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/citation/2016/06000/survival_without_transfusion_is_possible_but_not.31.aspx.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26807684.
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Thanks for bumping this thread, Reazon.
Shander's study that is discussed in this thread has been on my mind lately because I wanted to expand on the flaws that have been pointed out already.
Where this study's flaws become apparent is in the selection of groups. Shander et al was comparing a group of non-transfused surgical patients (all JWs) to a group of patients who received transfusions and made the conclusion that
Overall risk of mortality in severely anemic critically
ill bloodless patients appeared to be comparable with transfused
patients, albeit the latter group had older age and higher Acute
Physiology and Chronic Health Evaluation II score.What Shander is referring to in his conclusion is that the "bloodless" group - the JWs - were generally in better health and younger than the group that was transfused. The reason for this is simple - bloodless methods cannot be done on severely ill patients or those who are too elderly.
Shander has pointed out that difference in groups but he fails to take into account a couple of other factors that would have skewed the results in favor of the non-transfused group.
This is how the groups were selected:
The main eligibility criterion was severe anemia at ICU
admission defined as at least one hemoglobin level less
than or equal to 8 g/dL from a blood sample taken within
24 hours of ICU admission. Exclusion criteria were age less
than 18 years old; death within 24 hours of admission; treatment
with artificial hemoglobin-based oxygen carriers;
admission with diagnosis of traumatic brain injury or acute
myocardial infarction; and status postcardiac surgery and
pregnancy. For patients with multiple hospital admissions,
only the first admission leading to ICU admission was considered.
Patients were grouped into two cohorts: bloodless
patients who did not receive any allogeneic blood transfusions;
and transfused patients, who received allogeneic RBC
transfusions during ICU stay.So, Shander excluded those patients who died during the first 24 hours, and we know that the bloodless group would have more deaths than the transfused group - that 24 hour window is when emergency transfusions would be required and that is something that none of the bloodless group would have received.
Shander's solution to that data problem is to just exclude it. Don't include it in the study at all.
And he also left out another high risk group within the bloodless group. And that is the bloodless patients who required a second surgery. Note that only the first admission was considered and this criteria would pertain primarily to the "bloodless" group. One of the ways that "bloodless" surgery deals with a non-transfused person who requires a complicated or lengthy surgical procedure is to do it in two steps rather than one. This is either scheduled in advance for surgeries that anticipate a large blood loss or, sometimes a surgery is cut short when unexpected complications arise. In a conventional surgery, the patient would be given blood and the surgery completed. But, in a non-transfused JW patient, the patient is closed, taken to recovery, and the surgery completed later once the patient is stable enough.
So what ends up happening through this selection process, is that the JWs most likely to die from bloodless surgery have been excluded from the study's data. And the ones who don't make it as far as the operating theater are excluded.
This is a common feature of many of the studies that the bloodless industry has promoted. When you hear this: "Jehovah's Witnesses do better than those who use blood", be very suspicious. Shander has just illustrated quite simply how the data can be manipulated before the study even starts. Just leave out the high risk ends of the time line. The ones who have the most risk of dying.
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Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?
by UnshackleTheChains ini remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.
i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.
i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?
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OrphanCrow
Incognito: With regard to images in other publications, what other publications are these types of hidden images consistently observed?
This is a good question.
I have spent quite a bit of time looking for evidence to support the "it's just pareidolia" theory in other religious literature. If it is that common, then the phenomena should appear readily in lots of other illustrations as well. I have never found any. None. Not in any of the religious images produced by "other" religions.
I can find lots of examples in advertising material. But not in images produced by religions that distribute similar literature to the org. No scary faces or otherwise in Bible books for children. Nothing like that.
*back at ya, CC
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Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?
by UnshackleTheChains ini remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.
i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.
i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?
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Unshackle: I agree there are some images that are a stretch of the imagination, but there are definitely some strange obvious ones that stand out.
You are right. Some of the images are deliberate and some are unintentional.
This is a particularity divisive topic with some people taking an adamant side of "you are crazy" and "subliminal imaging is bunk/conspiracy theory" and "it is just in your head".
The part about it being in your head is absolutely true - everybody processes information in their brain and not everybody processes it the same. Not everybody sees the same.
What is noteworthy, though, when determining which side you will fall on, is that those who do say that the subliminal imaging is deliberate, and done intentionally, are professional artists.
I have responded to this claim on previous threads a couple of times, and....because I am an artist ( I used to teach university studio classes), I can confidentially say that there are subliminal images deliberately inserted into WT images. And, coincidentally, every single artist friend, that I have shown these images to, agrees. And these are not friends who just sit around painting flowers in their spare time - they are professional artists
An artist can tell whether the art making process was consistent, and where it was not consistent, and an artist usually knows if the one doing the piece meant to put it in or not. That is why they are artists - that is why they make art - they are good at perceiving things like that.
So, when it comes to determining what you will believe about subliminal images in WT literature - who are you going to believe? Artists like Compound Complex, myself, and other artists? Or people who just want to look up terms in Wiki and base their understanding of what is happening in an image on that explanation?
So. You decide. I already have.
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Australian State of Victoria! New Dept and laws to protect children
by zeb inalexandra james posted: "the state of victoria, in australia, is moving forward with a new law that is meant to protect victims of child sex abuse, including when such incidents happen within a religious setting.
according to the "reportable conduct scheme" that has just been ena" respond to this post by replying above this line.
new post on jwvictims.org .
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This is excellent news.
Not only will organizations like the JWs no longer be able to keep child sex abuse secret, but the police will also be held to scrutiny as to how they handle the cases.
This is a template that should be adopted everywhere.
Well done. Big shout out to Steve Unthank.
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Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?
by UnshackleTheChains ini remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.
i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.
i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?
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IslandMan: this notion .....has been long studied and shown to be blown greatly out of proportion at best and total pseudoscience, at worst.
Huh.
Sounds like it would be right up the WT's alley. Perfect fit
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How many remember the 1969 8 day convention?
by seek2find inanybody remember the 8 day 1969 international convention.
i was at the braves stadium in atlanta all 8 days with a sunburn and then wet clothes after the rain storms.
if you were there (not necessarily in atlanta) do you remember anything about it?
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Yeah...a blast from the past.
Someone had mentioned travelling to Winnipeg from Chicago for the 1966 assembly. I was there too!
And the Peace on Earth assembly - Vancouver BC 1969:
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The saddest song of all time?
by Bad_Wolf ini would pick this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th2w6oxx0kq.
i don't know how so many are happy or fine if thinking this life is it.
haven't lost parents yet, but when with them, sometimes i'll think of this song.
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JW Properties in Russia - 1.9 billion rubles
by OrphanCrow inaccording to victor yarofeyev, who publishes a blog for a radio station in moscow, echo of moscow, the total value of the jw properties in russia is 1.9 billion rubles.
which converts to $31,956,955 us.
almost 32 million dollars.. yarofeyev speculates that, if the supreme court refuses the org's appeal on july 17, some of the jw's properties may prove difficult for the russian government to seize.
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According to Victor Yarofeyev, who publishes a blog for a radio station in Moscow, Echo of Moscow, the total value of the JW properties in Russia is 1.9 billion rubles. Which converts to $31,956,955 US. Almost 32 million dollars.
Yarofeyev speculates that, if the Supreme Court refuses the org's appeal on July 17, some of the JW's properties may prove difficult for the Russian government to seize. The org, in anticipation of the seizure, transferred much of the property ownership to foreign JWs.
This is a google translate of the article - original Russian at link:
http://echo.msk.ru/blog/cur_blog/2009356-echo/
CENTER FOR INVESTIGATIONS :: BLOG
29 June 2017
"Witnesses" do not leaveIf the July 17 "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" will not be able to appeal their elimination, then enter into force on the decision of the Supreme Court recognized the extremist organization and its property - subject to forfeiture. About 175 thousand depositors have invested in the earthly "kingdom", will remain with nothing. Center of Investigation Department estimated the scale of the largest post-Soviet nationalization - the Jehovah's Witnesses have at least 211 houses in 57 regions of the cadastral value of 1.9 billion rubles. The state will receive the most expensive part, but to take away all have to work hard.
From 1993 to 2017, religious organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses (*) has collected 438 addresses registered in Russia. We checked all the owners of these houses, and 211 addresses were associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. Of us found the property, according to USRRE, Russian and foreign associations 'witnesses' own 118 objects, 93 more are owned by the leaders and founders of the local branches and their relatives. The cadastral value of the property, located in 57 regions of the country is 1.9 billion rubles.
The most liquid assets are Jehovah's Witnesses in St. Petersburg - 11.4 hectares of land with several buildings with total area of 9625 square meters. m. Thus, in the village of Sunshine on the Gulf of Finland on 10 hectares located now empty headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses with residential and technical buildings. There also has been registered "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" - an umbrella organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. Another commercially attractive plot size in hectares - on Kolomyazhsky Avenue 21. There Jehovah's Witnesses built Congress Hall for 2000 people, used for large events and lectures. Cadastral value of all objects of a religious organization in St. Petersburg - 780 million rubles, the market may be twice as much.
The Moscow branch of Jehovah's Witnesses held modest - in the capital of "witnesses" belongs to only one building. But it is on the estate "Mihalkovo" Panin at Golovinskoye ponds, its area - 3194.7 sq. m, cadastral value - 297 million rubles. In 2010, the prefecture of the Northern District said that the building was illegally privatized JSC "Moscow Tonkosukonnaya factory named after Petra Alekseeva" and sold "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia." However, to take away property from the Jehovah's Witnesses did not work - now owned by the Austrian home community organization.
Most real estate, we found in the south in the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories - 31 object cadastral value of 202 million rubles. Stavropol adherents of "witnesses" were among the first subjected to severe pressure from the law enforcement officers. In March 2016 during searches of worship of Jehovah's Witnesses in the building found the literature made to the Federal List of Extremist Materials. Jehovah's Witnesses claim that the literature they were planted. At its channel in Youtube, they published a video from surveillance cameras, which illustrates the masked men take out of the pockets of some papers and put them on the table. At the same time, searches took place in Karachaevo-Cherkessia in the building of the local branch of Jehovah's Witnesses, which also have been found extremist materialy.God later for distributing banned literature Court liquidated the Karachai-Circassian organization and gave it to the state property. According USRRE, now belonged to her house (298.5 sq. M) and land (857 sq. M) bailiffs imposed a ban on alienation.
Now the government must withdraw all the property of a proscribed organization. However, in six months the assets "of the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" and its divisions have decreased significantly - as soon as the threat of liquidation became a reality, the Russian religious organizations have started to give or donate property to the foreign missions of the Jehovah's Witnesses. From January to the end of April 2017 foreigners managed to pass the 74 property cadastral value of 402 million rubles. The main donee steel community of Jehovah's Witnesses in Sweden, Austria, Spain, as well as "the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania", which belongs to (with the encumbrance of law in favor of the "Administrative Center"), the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in St. Petersburg since 2010.
The state has already begun to stop attempts of real estate transfer. The local organization of the Stavropol region Jehovists tried to give the ground (2851 sq. Meters) and Kingdom Hall (1 161.6 sq. M) in the village Nezlobnaya "witnesses" from Denmark. Regional Rosreestra management refused to register the transaction. Danish community in the beginning of June, tried to challenge the refusal of the Court of Arbitration of the Stavropol Territory, but the court has not issued a statement considering the dispute itself incompetent. Back in March of 2017 in the Stavropol region deal with foreign organizations "witnesses" were recorded, and the local communities had to give three property Jehovah's Witnesses from Austria.
As a result, as of June 2017 the foreign community of Jehovah's Witnesses own most of the property found us. They own 65% (16.4 hectares of land and 25,072 sq. M of buildings and facilities, only 78 objects) cadastral value of more than 500 million rubles. 93 objects are owned by the managers, founders of Russian departments and their relatives, but it is the most modest assets - 11.5% of the Russian real estate (2.7 hectares of land and 6020 square meters of buildings.) Worth 175 million rubles. Only 23.5% of the property (5.4 hectares and 13,989 square meters, a total of 40 objects.) Belongs directly to Russian legal entities "witnesses", but it is the most expensive - not less than 660 million rubles. This distribution can allow Jehovah's Witnesses to keep most of the property - if the transaction on its transmission will not be challenged.
The state is such an opportunity, according to a senior partner of the Bar "Yukov and Partners" Irina Adamova, "Since the property was transferred under the contract of donation, it will be possible to prove that this sham transaction for the renewal of the title of the owner is to avoid forfeiture of the property . If the prosecutor proves that the transactions were concluded in order to avoid enforcement of the judgment, and not for gratuitous gift, the State will be able to assign the property. "
On the property, which is owned by the managers, founders of local organizations and their relatives, the state is unlikely to be able to claim. According to Irina Adamova, prosecution will have to prove that the building was bought with the money of this religious organization, rather than the owner's agent. Do it and to confiscate the property will be much more difficult than in the case of donation of foreign organizations.
This is a map that shows the locations of JW property in Russia:
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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?
by minimus ini still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
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And another thing I think should happen with religions.
Regardless if they lose their tax status or not, all religions should be levied a flat tax to be used for survivor recovery programs. All monies from that tax would be directed to religious/cult recovery, shelters, suicide help, mental health programming, etc.
The notion that religion holds a special status in society based on its "helpfulness" needs to be balanced with the acknowledgement that religions/cults also do harm. Religion itself has to start chipping in to pay for the damage that it does. Just sponsoring soup kitchens and giving away used clothing doesn't cut it.
