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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  Finkelstein: What I'd like to see occur is JW parents who let their child die by refusing proper medical treatment face abandonment and neglectful abuse of a child who they're are legally responsible for.
  manslaughter in other words.
  That would certainly create a lot of attention by the public and JWS as well

  That has happened. Except it happened so long ago that hardly anyone knows about it - 1959. And it was in Australia.

  http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/bloode.html
  

  
  VICTORIA v. ALVIN LEONARD JEHU was AUSTRALIA'S FIRST CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of a Jehovah's Witness Parent for refusing to provide consent for blood transfusions needed by their child who eventually died. In January 1959, the Jehus FOURTH child needed an exchange blood transfusion due to complications from Rh factor incompatibility between the mother and child. For two days, newborn Stephen Jehu clung to life as doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators at Queen Victoria Hospital futilely begged Alvin L. Jehu, age 28, and his unidentified JW Wife, of East Preston, to give them consent to perform the required life-saving blood transfusions.
  Thereafter, the State of Victoria indicted Alvin Leonard Jehu on charges of MANSLAUGHTER. In March 1960, a jury convicted Alvin Jehu of manslaughter, but also recommended "mercy" regarding his sentence. Jehu was sentenced to 5 years in prison, but that sentence was instantly probated, and Jehu was released on a 5-year "good behavior" bond.
  Undoubtedly at the behest of the WatchTower Society, Jehu filed an appeal based on the alleged violation of his religious rights, and the alleged violation of his rights as a parent to choose the best medical care for his children. (During the trial, Jehu had testified that he genuinely believed that blood transfusions actually were physically "dangerous" based on the "medical evidence" presented in WatchTower Cult publications.) Appeal not found. The WatchTower Society PRAISED the Jehus in an AWAKE! magazine article published later in 1960.
  The positive from this well-publicized MURDER was that Australia's hospitals became aware and were motivated to petition local courts for legal intervention in such scenarios. Prior to this case, there had been scattered instances of hospitals seeking court intervention, but such was the exception rather than the rule, and the result had been multiple deaths of children of Jehovah's Witness parents across Australia during the 1950s.
  In December 1960, the State of Victoria passed the BLOOD TRANSFUSION ACT OF 1960, which amended the Medical Act of 1958, to hold that a competent medical technician who administers a blood transfusion to a person under the age of 21 was considered to have been authorized by a person capable of such authorization when such person has refused or otherwise is unavailable to do so, and when two physicans have agreed that such transfusion is medically necessary.

  Six decades of court cases involving minor children: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/bloode.html

  Cases involving mature minors: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/blood1.html

  Cases involving pregnant women and their unborn children: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/blood2.html

  Cases involving adult children: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/blood4.html

  Parental obligations cases 1950s/60s: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/blood4.html

  
  

  
  
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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  fukitol: Bloodless clinics staffed with JW nurses and doctors?
  What on earth do you mean by that? What clinics, where?

  Across the States.

  The Bloodless Clincs/Centers that started being established across the States in the mid to late 90s, were all started by Jehovah's Witnesses. Mostly HLC members who had received "special training" to become bloodless coordinators or administrators. Over time, as the patient blood management movement took hold, those JW HLC fellows, now promoted to "bloodless coordinator/administrator/specialist/expert", have recruited outside of the "faith" to add to the numbers of the "bloodless" cult.

  In addition, the bloodless world has many Jehovah's Witness doctors and nurses who have been instrumental in promoting the bloodless movement worldwide.

  I have lots of information on this, fukitol, but it will take me awhile to put something together.

  In the meantime, you might want to search for threads on Sherry Ozawa, Axel Hofmann, Shannon Farmer, Dr. Seeber...there are more. Lots more
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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  OrphanCrow

  And here is the really sad, and horrific, part - there are lots and lots of JW babies and children who have been subjected to transfusion-free surgical procedures. Lots.

  https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=pediatric+jehovah&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&oq=pediatr

  In spite of some JW babies being lucky enough to encounter a medical team that places the baby's health and well being above the superstitious beliefs of the parents, there are many doctors who willingly agree to uphold the parent's religious convictions.

  And just think of all the babies born to JW mothers who give birth in bloodless clinics that are staffed with JWs nurses and doctors. Do you think those babies get a court intervention? Do you think anyone hears about those babies who don't get blood?
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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  steve2: Best of both worlds

  For them. They are the ones who get that "best of both worlds". At everybody else's expense and at the risk of the court action not being fast enough and the baby dying while the legal wheels grind. Which has happened many, many times.

  The cost to the medical professionals, emotionally and psychologically, and the legal professionals, can be devastating sometimes. Not to mention the $ cost that a legal action requires.

  And still, those parents will give their loyalty to a corporate religion and risk the life of their child all for the sake of that promised "paradise".

  Best of both worlds? Maybe not...they sure don't have the backbone to ensure that their child has the best in this world.
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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  OrphanCrow

  The story from RadioCanada CBC:

  (in French)

  http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1045360/un-bebe-peut-etre-transfuse-sans-laccord-des-parents-temoins-de-jehovah
  
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  Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

  two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

  jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

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  OrphanCrow

  The Jehovah's Witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in Quebec over the blood ban. Two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this. JW patients willing to sacrifice their child. For their own salvation.

  There is nothing like the life of a baby being put at needless risk to get the public's emotions riled up.

  https://sivertimes.com/jehovahs-witness-the-court-authorises-blood-transfusion-to-a-baby-despite-the-refusal-of-parents/53315

  JEHOVAH’S WITNESS: THE COURT AUTHORISES BLOOD TRANSFUSION TO A BABY DESPITE THE REFUSAL OF PARENTS
  GUY MARTEL / QMI AGENCY
  Nicolas Saillant
  Friday, 14 July 2017 17:44
  UPDATE
  Friday, 14 July 2017 17:44
  The superior Court has allowed the doctors of the Mother-Child Centre (CHUL) to do a blood transfusion to a baby born despite the refusal of Jehovah’s witness parents.
  The “baby-daughter” of the parents of the region of Bellechasse, Jehovah’s witnesses, was born with an abdominal mass, which requires an emergency operation according to the doctors. The parents were open to the trade as such, but refused any blood transfusion during the operation.
  Due to the risk of death if the emergency operation had not taken place, the CHUL is, therefore, addressed to the superior Court on Wednesday, the day after the birth, to be able to proceed despite the notice of the parents.
  “The right to life and security of the child of the defendants should take precedence over the freedom of their religious belief”, argued the lawyers of the Mother-Child Centre quoted by Radio-Canada. The judge acquiesced to the request.
  The operation will be performed and blood transfusions may therefore be carried out, if necessary, by the physicians of the new-born.
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  Eloise Dupuis' husband gets medical files (Quebec, Canada)

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this article is in french but it translates fairly well:.

  the husband of a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.

  the husband of eloïse dupuis, a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth at the hôtel-dieu de lévis, may have the complete medical record of the deceased.a text by yannick bergeron.

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  OrphanCrow

  Mr. Mous, I don't know where you get your information from, but there are situations where the definitive treatment for severe postpartum hemorrhage is a hysterectomy.

  http://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0315/p875.html
  

  Significant blood loss from any cause requires standard maternal resuscitation measures (Figure 1). Blood loss of more than 1,000 mL requires quick action and an interdisciplinary team approach.54 Hysterectomy is the definitive treatment in women with severe, intractable hemorrhage.

  And, when the patient is a JW, the decision to do a hysterectomy has a lower threshold than for those patients who will accept a blood transfusion. In other words, if you are a JW woman, a hysterectomy will be performed much earlier than if you would accept blood.

  *and by the way, the links I provided are NOT from quack doctors
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  Eloise Dupuis' husband gets medical files (Quebec, Canada)

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this article is in french but it translates fairly well:.

  the husband of a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.

  the husband of eloïse dupuis, a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth at the hôtel-dieu de lévis, may have the complete medical record of the deceased.a text by yannick bergeron.

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  OrphanCrow

  I am going to take a shot in the dark here and make a guess that the "independent expert" that is going to be consulted will be Dr. Mark Boyd from Montreal.

  Remember him?

  Dr. Mark Boyd was one of the "bloodless" doctors featured in the January 8, 2000 Awake! magazine - the issue where the WTS gives glowing reports and accolades to their friends in the bloodless world (and takes doctor quotes out of context - lots of cherry picking in that issue).

  Here is Dr. Mark Boyd as he appeared in the Awake magazine. Rubbing shoulders with the infamous Dr. Joachim Boldt, the Great Pretender. Dr. Boyd is the second from right and the disgraced Boldt is the far left character:

  

  Dr. Boyd was the expert witness into the 1992 death of a JW woman in British Columbia:

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1491862/pdf/cmaj00310-0166.pdf
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  Eloise Dupuis' husband gets medical files (Quebec, Canada)

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this article is in french but it translates fairly well:.

  the husband of a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.

  the husband of eloïse dupuis, a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth at the hôtel-dieu de lévis, may have the complete medical record of the deceased.a text by yannick bergeron.

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  justfine: Its the misinformation and taking away of the choice to save your life that is criminal in my opinion.

  Agree. Totally.

  I hope there is a very public review of all of this.

  I hope so too. But, my hope is tempered with the knowledge of how deeply entwined the WTS is within the medical system in Canada. The WTS has a long and friendly (or antagonistic, depending on the need to be or the location) relationship with the Canadian medical world.

  Back in the 60s, it was Glen How's - the WT's Canadian legal beagle - diligent and relentless work in the legal arena that made the blood policy possible. He laid the legal groundwork for this current situation.

  The bloodless network is well and firmly established in Canada. It is where it all began - Canada was the pilot ground for the HLC network. We shall see how this plays out. Big players playing big games. With people's lives.

  
  
  
  
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  Eloise Dupuis' husband gets medical files (Quebec, Canada)

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this article is in french but it translates fairly well:.

  the husband of a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.

  the husband of eloïse dupuis, a jehovah's witness who died after giving birth at the hôtel-dieu de lévis, may have the complete medical record of the deceased.a text by yannick bergeron.

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  OrphanCrow

  Yes, Smiddy, you have read the article right.

  What is wrong with these people...?

  I think that the biggest thing wrong with "these people" is that they have been bombarded with the WT's erroneous messages for so long that they truly believe that a person can and should survive a blood refusal in all cases.

  The WT has spent years extolling the virtues of alternative medicine, including recruiting doctors to their noblood ideology, and issuing press releases every time somebody miraculously pulls through a life threatening situation, attributing their survival to some oblique bloodless practice.

  JWs have an unrealistic expectation about how blood transfusions are not necessary and how, if a patient even needs a blood transfusion, it is because of the surgeon lacking skill. The WT has subtly, and not so subtly, maligned conventional medical practice so that the ordinary JW believes that if a person dies after blood refusal, it has to be the doctor's fault.

  Those false beliefs about blood stay with a person for a long time, sometimes for their entire life. Always believing that the WT has given them the correct information (the WT wouldn't lie!).

  For example, I was speaking to my father a few years back about the blood doctrine. He left the JWs way back in the late 60s but he had attended the Kingdom Ministry School in Toronto in the mid-60s. This is what he said to me (and when he said this, his voice did that weird timbre and cadence change...he slipped into his WT trained 'instructive' voice): "There is no need for a blood transfusion. Doctors have a product that is a saline solution that works just as good as blood." I said, "Dad, who told you that?"And he replied, "Well, that is what we were told in Toronto."

  I had to have a little chat with my dad and update him on the uses of Ringer's lactate and the inability of it to perform as good as blood. And I told him about how the US Army used JW patients back in the 60s to test the limits of Ringer's Lactate, resulting in many deaths. Those who died basically drowned from fluid build up in their lungs.

  The Coroner's inquest into Eloise's death is still ongoing and the media attention around this case was intense when she died. In addition to Eloise's husband dealing with the pain and grief of losing his wife, I wouldn't be surprised if he has been receiving "spiritual direction" from the WT's spiritual legal/medical team. They will be looking for ways to counteract whatever the coroner finds in his investigation. It isn't just Eloise's husband who has a stake in this. The HLC, their bloodless experts who took over medical treatment advice, and the WT - all have an interest.

  It wouldn't surprise me if there is heavy WT involvement in Mr. Dupuis' actions. Of course there is. There always has been. The coroner's investigation has the potential to, once again, put the WT and their bloodless crew in an unfavorable light. And the WT's Blood Team is using Mr. Dupuis' grief to mount a defense for their noblood ideology.