Posts by OrphanCrow

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

OrphanCrow

Fisherman: Orphan Crow who doesn't even bother to read all of the posts on this thread before going on a rant with me,

You don't know this, fisherman. You have ass-u-med something that just isn't true. I read this entire thread and I watched every single minute of the loooong video that was at the core of the takedown notice.

I also read these (most of these...still reading them):

Gutenberg's Legacy: Copyright, Censorship, andReligious Pluralism by Thomas F. Cotter

In Search of (Maintaining) the Truth: The Use ofCopyright Law by Religious Organizations David A. Simon

And this article:

https://lizerbramlaw.com/2014/08/11/using-copyright-suppress-criticism/

and this one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2015/09/21/you-cant-buy-a-copyright-just-to-bury-it/#a350992b1189

etc

So, Fisherman...you are wrong. I don't comment unless I have done my background work. And on this issue, I have

same as she does in every thread with me before having to swallow her words then backing off.

I don't "back off"...I usually just don't have anything more to say to you.

So, fisherman, I am not "backing off". I am busy....those links have some good reading in them about copyright and how religions use copyright law for censorship

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

OrphanCrow

Stephane: The root problem is that the WT lies and deceives people and when they get caught, they tries any tool at their disposal, including the copyright stuff.

Exactly. The WT's actions concerning the alleged copyright violations are a clear example of how perverted the intellectual property laws have become over the last several decades, especially since digital transmission became possible.

Laws that were originally instituted to protect the lowly artist/author against the exploitation of the publishing industry and independent plagiarists, have now become flexible to the point that corporations like the WTS can use those laws to suppress information. The copyright 'laws' now are a tool of oppression that large corporate structures can use to wield against those with limited power.

The particular video that the WT has targeted - Anthony Morris speaking in Helsinki Finland in the summer of 2016. Why this talk? what did he say? What was happening in Finland and what has happened since?

First clue: the appeal of the ruling that made the Silver Sword an extremist piece of literature was being heard on September 21, 2017. M&K got a take down notice only days before that appeal hearing.

By the time that Morris was making his 2016 cameo appearance in Finland, the org already knew that their precious Silver Sword was at risk of being declared extremist. Morris mentions that governments are against them and that the regular/lowly JW didn't know about it. Well...a big shipment of literature had been blocked in July 2015 at the Finnish/Russian border.

Not only that, but there were some rumblings coming out of Finland concerning the noblood doctrine during the 2016 year: http://johanneksenpoika.fi/uutiset/arkisto/arkisto_k0759.html

Fisherman and JD (do I have the right ones here? they tag team sometimes and I can't keep up) would like to jump up and down and point fingers all the time shouting about "breaking the law!!!!" when they don't (or won't) acknowledge how the WT is using and misusing the law to oppress, misinform, hide, obfuscate, lie....well, you get the idea. The WTS is hypocritical. And those who support the WTS' misuse of copyright laws to try to suppress information are just as hypocritical and a large part of the problem to begin with.

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

OrphanCrow

Watching the offending video now.

Yup. Now I get it. This is the talk where Morris talks about the boy child Joshua (suffering with leukemia). 1995 Awake magazine article.

I called Morris border line psychotic. I need to expand that - he just reads a scripted talk. The entire WTS is psychotic. Child martyrs for the noblood doctrine. Who in their right mind thinks that is okay????

Back to watching...this is a bit painful

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

OrphanCrow

I visited Mike and Kim's website to get more information on what is happening with the alleged copyright violations that the WT is claiming against their youtube channel.

Something is fishy here. And by fishy...I am talking about the smell, not the present company.

This is what Mike and Kim say on their blog:

In Watchtower of Pennsylvania’s latest attempt to shut us down. gave us another copyright strike against the Anthony Morris in Helsinki talk. This is of course NOT a jw.org video, so we immediately filed a copyright counter-claim against their claim.

Not a jw.org video? Where is the copyright violation? On a public talk? Who made the video?

And then M&K say:

This is where it gets suspicious…We put Watchtower video clips in almost all of our videos. They could have just used the last 3 videos. Why did they go one from LAST YEAR entitled “Jehovah’s Witnesses Your Great Tribulation is Here”?
What was in that video that they had to shut us down with?

Exactly. Exactly this ^^^^

The Morris public talk was in Finland...that country that bumps up against Russia.

I would suggest that the content of the Morris talk is harmful to the JWs' claim to be peace loving people, etc. That talk does not help their cause with the ECHR. Look up the content - Morris is borderline psychotic in it.

Mike and Kim, I suggest to you that this is not to be taken personally- the WT isn't necessarily so much worried about you. They are worried about certain content being made public. You guys just happened to hit upon a public talk that now, in retrospect, the org realizes is hurting them in their attempt to appear all bright and shiny on the international stage of the human rights war.

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Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

by freemindfade in

i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

OrphanCrow

Has anyone brought up tRump's football failure from back in the 90s?

Sorry if this has already been posted...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/trump-feud-nfl-fueled-failures-usfl-era-article-1.3528183

Trump's failures - the glue that binds him to the common man's struggles. Feeding the illusion that the leader is one of the masses

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Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

by freemindfade in

i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

OrphanCrow

4:38 of the above video...or thereabouts...the commentator says that tRump has the right to say whatever he wants (free speech) "...as long as he doesn't use his government influence to silence people...". Apparently, from earlier comments in this video, the commentator has confined 'using government influence' as only those acts that are put into legal motion. Or something like that...

I disagree with this view.

Everybody, every single person on this planet, has a political position. And that position is designated by the person's relationship to power. Trump has a political position. And that position is very, very influential. To ignore that is to ignore a whole herd of elephants stampeding through the newsroom.

Trump owes everyone in America the right to be represented (Trump's voice is the voice of America) by someone who uses his free speech responsibly. Trump doesn't do that. Trump's voice does, indeed, silence people regardless of whether the words are an executive order or not. He speaks literally (legally) for all of America on the world stage. He speaks for you. His voice is your voice. That is the way politics and power works.

Trump's words silence people. Because of who he is politically. To ignore that is perilous.

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JW Elder fired from bank for privacy violation regarding fellow JW employee

by Zoos in

"thou shalt spy on and report your brothers and sisters to hq.".

https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/industrial-court-finds-there-are-limits-to-freedom-of-religion/article_5a485b94-a327-11e7-9c32-57b15184bc6a.html.

editor's note: due to the nature of this story we've changed the names of the parties involved.

OrphanCrow

honest: Jw dr's do this all the time. The jw cult supersedes their medical ethics

Honest, could you expand on those statements? How do you know this to be true?

I am not challenging the 'trueness' of your statement, I am more interested in where or how you know what you do. It does not surprise me in the least that JW doctors would not have a barrier between patients and the elders in the congregation.

I am not entirely sure of this, but I think that some European countries (Germany maybe?) require medical doctors to be transparent concerning their religious affiliation. I would like to see this policy put in place everywhere. I cannot imagine anything much more disturbing than finding out that I was getting medical advice from a doctor that has affiliations with the Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would lose my f***ing mind if my doctor turned out to be a JW. I think I am entitled to have that information and that the medical associations should take a strong look at making the religious affiliations of doctors public knowledge. Especially when that religion has such primitive and controversial ideas about the medical use of blood.

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JW.ORG logica: I don't get it

by Gorbatchov in

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a dutch saying is "am i that smart or are you so stupid".. watching this jw.org movie about god's name made me use it: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njtimafdp7m.

jw broadcasting june 2015, 15 seconds cut.. geoffrey jackson is proud that jw.org is using god's name.. then he convinced that jw.org does not know exactly what god's name is.. then he convinced that jw.org uses the name jehovah because it's most common recognized in english.. is this reasonable, asks geoffrey... yes!

OrphanCrow

Cold Steel, the JW logic behind the use of God's name reveals their pantheistic view of the world.

Generally, most Christian religions believe in only one God so there is no "crowd" of gods for him to get confused as to which god is being called upon.

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New Research at AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

the numbers are staggering.

http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

OrphanCrow

Ruby: a cursory look through the titles supports my thesis...

And therein lies your problem, Ruby. Combined with your previously self-admitted lack of math skills, and your cursory looks, your criticism of the OP and JWfacts is unfounded.

Yes, the medical community has come up with ways that benefit the JW population. But in the context of this discussion, it is meaningless because those benefits also apply to the general population. What this thread is about is the additional risk that JWs face over the general population that leads to needless deaths.

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New Research at AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

the numbers are staggering.

http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

OrphanCrow

Ruby: you have no idea about your own research - well here it is from your response to steve2
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=pediatric+jehovah&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=&oq=pediatric

That link has 4,660 responses/studies to it. Which one of those 4660 is the one that is from 1997?

this question I have already replied to in this thread and if after considering that evidence you want more than i will be glad to asist.

?? Where did you give evidence/source for your statement??