“the christian witnesses of jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the earth.
so why on earth would any good follower need the help of a mental health professional?” the society tells about the evils of seeking help from outside their organization.
"as a rule, for a christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat.
Rubadub: Bethel does have a brother who is a psychiatrist on the staff.
Yeah...you have to have two witnesses to your mental health problems in order to get to see him and when you do, he writes you out a prescription for the proper Bibble verses to read that will cure you
i have never understood anti-semitism .why sooo much hatred?.
"Some ex-nazis actually converted to Islam"
Yeah...and some ex-Nazis converted to JWism.
That is documented in Wt literature and in other sources. There were several (don't know how many) SS members who became JWs (*including a certain LR's father). They traded the 1000 year reign of the Reich for the 1000 year reign of Christ
tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
Simon: The JWs are nowhere near as bad as the Jonestown massacre cult where close to 100% of the members died and outside investigators were murdered.
You are right. 100% of JWs don't face the blood death sacrifice. Only some of them do.
Instead of all the JWs dying for lack of blood....only some are called to the altar of blood.
tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
I am not sure what you are saying, Simon.
However, I do know that the "evidence" that you need likely will never happen.
A couple years ago, I invested a great deal of time into trying to establish that evidence that so many people are skeptical of. I spent weeks extrapolating 70 years of data from the Canadian census and the JW yearbooks to break down age estimates in order to use those figures for a statistical analysis of blood deaths in the JW population.
I was working with a statistician from the university who was the department head of the math department. Everything was going really well and all we had to do was wait for original data from several medical studies that had been published that showed the higher risk that JWs face when they refuse a blood transfusion. And that is when we ran into a problem. None of the researchers that Dr. V had contacted asking for original data had answered him. No answer from any of them - they totally ignored his attempts to get the data. Dr. V said that it was the first and only time that had happened to him.
And that is why I doubt that an accurate estimate can ever be done: The medical establishment will not release the original data on JWs. They circle the wagons.
And my death estimate project was dead in the water.
tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
Simon: I struggle to believe that 3,600 JWs are dying in the US each year because of refusing blood which seems to be the claim but is it, really?
No, that is not the claim.
The claim is this: roughly speaking 3600 JWs plus or minus will face this situation each year in the US alone
Facing the situation does not mean dying from the situation. It means just that: Facing the situation that they need blood. The claim does not say: dying from lack of blood
Extrapolating how many will actually die from that blood refusal is based on medical studies that estimate the risk that JWs face that exceeds the deaths in the general population who also face the same situation. The death estimates take into account the added risk of either refusing blood or using blood alternatives that have a higher mortality rate than a simple blood transfusion does.
since most people in this group have been taught how to research and fact check with our jw history and getting out, this is a topic that can be constructive to check out.
i stumbled upon this and spent some time researching it, and it's quite interesting.
it's part of your immune system, gcmaf.
Back or original post, Cofty- did you not look at the 69 studies on https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/? I never got a memo that that was a conspiracy website
I am not Cofty but I am going to respond to your query anyway
Do you know how to read/analyze any of those studies you posted and do you know what a retraction means?
Did you not see, when you visited that page of "69 studies", how many of those studies were retracted (2 on the first page)and how many of those studies were based on a seriously flawed study by N Yamamoto?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4255083/
I think that flawed study by Yamamoto (2008) has been cited over 30 times in those other papers.
That one flawed study (and there are more) calls into question all the studies that were built on the faulty conclusions of the first one.
i have never understood anti-semitism .why sooo much hatred?.
2+2, YouTube is your friend
Searching is easy
There are some videos featuring Arendt but I don't know what they cover. I like reading
i have never understood anti-semitism .why sooo much hatred?.
A book recommendation for serious readers who want a better understanding of anti-Semitism.
The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951), by Hannah Arendt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origins_of_Totalitarianism
The book describes the various preconditions and subsequent rise of anti-Semitism in central, eastern, and western Europe in the early-to-mid 19th century; then examines the New Imperialism, from 1884 to the start of the First World War (1914–18); then traces the emergence of racism as an ideology, and its modern application as an “ideological weapon for imperialism”, by the Boers during the Great Trek (1830s–40s) in the early 19th century. The book has three sections: Antisemitism, Imperialism, and Totalitarianism.
“the christian witnesses of jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the earth.
so why on earth would any good follower need the help of a mental health professional?” the society tells about the evils of seeking help from outside their organization.
"as a rule, for a christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat.
Empty inside: They now mention briefly that some may need to seek professional help
Which means that they can accomodate professionals that have JW credentials. Most JWs that get counseling get it from JW counsellors
i know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".
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wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.
DoubtingBrother: Still, I think there are more POMI than PIMO. The cult programming is strong.
I agree. I am surpised at the number of people I have met during the ordinary course of my life that used to be JWs. So many and in so many unexpected circumstances and places.
I have met many, many exJWs who have never deprogrammed. I used to be surprised about it, but now I accept it as the norm. In spite of the internet making exJWs more visible, there are so many who never make it to these discussion boards and who never are able to escape that programming.
My mother held onto the beliefs for decades after she was disfellowshipped and only recently has let some of her programming go. She weaves her own spiritual narrative now but it is loaded with JW thinking patterns and JW doctrinal details. And so too have been several exJWs that I have encountered over the years. Hell, I have spent a lifetime doubling checking my own thinking patterns once I realized the effect cult programming had on my life and how I viewed the world.
I find it interesting how so many people self-identify as PIMO when there is a very wide spectrum on what "mentally out" means. A toenail out? an arm and a leg out? part of the brain out? or the whole brain? It's a really long journey to find "out". I suspect that the majority of PIMO and POMO equate "out" with a simple rejection of the WT/org's authority. Total deprogramming takes a lot of work. And a lot of time too.
I would never have been able to do that - still attend meetings and pretend a belief I didn't hold. I don't have that skill. Good luck to all who do it. Kudos to you
