Vidiot: Jeezus, what kind of mindset does a person have to have for that?
Masochism
-pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
OrphanCrow
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How many Witnesses would drink the cool aid at a "Jonestown?"
by Witness 007 inso my mum died from mild form of lukemia which can simply be treated with a blood transfusion each month.
to me this was a watchtower assisted suicide.
the liaison elder encouraged her to "stay strong" and said a prayer.
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OrphanCrow
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WT Child/Sexual Abuse Cases and etc
by jdash ini had this argument with my grandmother and uncles about scandals that the jw's covered up and whatnot, and they won't budge.
i brought up the australian royal commission and of course they laughed.
they then said that the governing body has never lost a sexual abuse case but the "person" who did the crime got charged.
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OrphanCrow
Can anyone link me some cases where the JW's have lost and had to pay? Thanks!
You might find what you are looking for at this link here:
Barbara has 1000s of pages of court documents available and in some of the cases, the WT did indeed pay out settlements.
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Help with a project, please
by vienne ini'm slowly working on an article for a history journal.
i need watchtower letters, either to the congregations or to individuals from 1940 to 1960. i need them no matter how inconsequential they may seem.
if you have some to share, pm me.
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OrphanCrow
Vienne, this is a large zipfile that contains BOEs and other correspondence for the years 1910-2018. There are some letters that were written between 1940 and 1960 that you may find helpful:
https://mega.nz/#!h9lj0L4T!OQ8Og5jjnv9HOOc95hZ6qFOm5wue__4sxTjrL2xv6cc
and one more link for the same file...
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Did they mean to say the F word here?
by ILoveTTATT2 inthis is from the golden age, august 5, 1931. it is related to an article denouncing the entire medical profession.
i wonder if they meant to say the f word but didn´t dare to.. fudge!.
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amiableatheist: So, I chime in with Jhine, asking -- Is it verified and correct?
It is possible to download the 1931 Golden Age from faithleaks:
https://faithleaks.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:G_E_19310000.pdf
And, yes...the quote in the op is authentic and correct. Apparently, the proofreading wasn't as perfect as some would expect it to be.
I copied this from the above link - it is identical to the OP
*to add: this is the paragraph that precedes the above:
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"Psychiatrist is an Admission of Defeat"
by new boy in“the christian witnesses of jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the earth.
so why on earth would any good follower need the help of a mental health professional?” the society tells about the evils of seeking help from outside their organization.
"as a rule, for a christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat.
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OrphanCrow
Rubadub: Bethel does have a brother who is a psychiatrist on the staff.
Yeah...you have to have two witnesses to your mental health problems in order to get to see him and when you do, he writes you out a prescription for the proper Bibble verses to read that will cure you
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Why Do People Hate Jews???
by minimus ini have never understood anti-semitism .why sooo much hatred?.
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OrphanCrow
"Some ex-nazis actually converted to Islam"
Yeah...and some ex-Nazis converted to JWism.
That is documented in Wt literature and in other sources. There were several (don't know how many) SS members who became JWs (*including a certain LR's father). They traded the 1000 year reign of the Reich for the 1000 year reign of Christ
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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E
by MaybeSo intv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
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OrphanCrow
Simon: The JWs are nowhere near as bad as the Jonestown massacre cult where close to 100% of the members died and outside investigators were murdered.
You are right. 100% of JWs don't face the blood death sacrifice. Only some of them do.
Instead of all the JWs dying for lack of blood....only some are called to the altar of blood.
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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E
by MaybeSo intv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
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OrphanCrow
I am not sure what you are saying, Simon.
However, I do know that the "evidence" that you need likely will never happen.
A couple years ago, I invested a great deal of time into trying to establish that evidence that so many people are skeptical of. I spent weeks extrapolating 70 years of data from the Canadian census and the JW yearbooks to break down age estimates in order to use those figures for a statistical analysis of blood deaths in the JW population.
I was working with a statistician from the university who was the department head of the math department. Everything was going really well and all we had to do was wait for original data from several medical studies that had been published that showed the higher risk that JWs face when they refuse a blood transfusion. And that is when we ran into a problem. None of the researchers that Dr. V had contacted asking for original data had answered him. No answer from any of them - they totally ignored his attempts to get the data. Dr. V said that it was the first and only time that had happened to him.
And that is why I doubt that an accurate estimate can ever be done: The medical establishment will not release the original data on JWs. They circle the wagons.
And my death estimate project was dead in the water.
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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E
by MaybeSo intv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
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OrphanCrow
Simon: I struggle to believe that 3,600 JWs are dying in the US each year because of refusing blood which seems to be the claim but is it, really?
No, that is not the claim.
The claim is this: roughly speaking 3600 JWs plus or minus will face this situation each year in the US alone
Facing the situation does not mean dying from the situation. It means just that: Facing the situation that they need blood. The claim does not say: dying from lack of blood
Extrapolating how many will actually die from that blood refusal is based on medical studies that estimate the risk that JWs face that exceeds the deaths in the general population who also face the same situation. The death estimates take into account the added risk of either refusing blood or using blood alternatives that have a higher mortality rate than a simple blood transfusion does.
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GcMAF - cure or major treatment for autoimmune disease, cancer, autism, etc, and being suppressed or hype?
by Bad_Wolf insince most people in this group have been taught how to research and fact check with our jw history and getting out, this is a topic that can be constructive to check out.
i stumbled upon this and spent some time researching it, and it's quite interesting.
it's part of your immune system, gcmaf.
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OrphanCrow
Back or original post, Cofty- did you not look at the 69 studies on https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/? I never got a memo that that was a conspiracy website
I am not Cofty but I am going to respond to your query anyway
Do you know how to read/analyze any of those studies you posted and do you know what a retraction means?
Did you not see, when you visited that page of "69 studies", how many of those studies were retracted (2 on the first page)and how many of those studies were based on a seriously flawed study by N Yamamoto?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4255083/
I think that flawed study by Yamamoto (2008) has been cited over 30 times in those other papers.
That one flawed study (and there are more) calls into question all the studies that were built on the faulty conclusions of the first one.