jhine: So why do people carry out these mass shootings ? What is the motivation ?
The human species is inherently violent. Always has been and always will be.
Our species has created a culture that is predominately violent.
OrphanCrow
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The Biggest Issue Is Not Guns—It Is Mental Health!
by minimus incrazy people shoot up places and kill people.
take away guns and they will find knives, poison, bombs , etc.. seriously, there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people!
they need professional long term help..
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How many Witnesses would drink the cool aid at a "Jonestown?"
by Witness 007 inso my mum died from mild form of lukemia which can simply be treated with a blood transfusion each month.
to me this was a watchtower assisted suicide.
the liaison elder encouraged her to "stay strong" and said a prayer.
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I think that the idea of a world wide "drink the kool aid Jonestown" scenario is unrealistic and irrational.
For one thing, the GB and all their true believer followers do not believe that they will die. They believe they are going to live forever and never die. They are going to survive the apocalypse. Drinking the kool aid is in direct opposition to this fundamental doctrine - "we will live forever! we will never die!"
However, the kool aid behavior has been acted out in isolated family groups, especially among those who have left or been disfellowshipped. There are several cases where the irrational fear of not surviving Armageddon has lead to mass killings within JW families, especially where one individual has seen the kool aid option as the last resort for their family's chance at eternal life.
The promise of eternal life has an evil counterpart - if you die before Armageddon, you get a second chance.
So, the ones who I think are the most in danger from this cult and who would drink the kool aid readily are those who are no longer inside that special golden circle but still believe that jehobah will kill them at Armageddon. They want their second chance. So they will drink and they will spike their loved ones drinks as well.
Many have already. Tragically.
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The Biggest Issue Is Not Guns—It Is Mental Health!
by minimus incrazy people shoot up places and kill people.
take away guns and they will find knives, poison, bombs , etc.. seriously, there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people!
they need professional long term help..
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vidiot: I read somewhere that people who suffer from mental health problems are statistically more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the perpetrators
You have read correctly.
Incorrect reading/reporting of news items and listening to people chatter will lead to the myth building around mental health and violence. And that is why the myth of mental illness and violence is persistent
95% percent of violent crime is committed by people who are not mentally ill and only 5 percent of those who are mentally ill will be violent (often towards themselves rather than others).
News stories often wrongly link violence with mental illness
Checking Facts and Falsehoods About Gun Violence and Mental Illness
Untangling Gun Violence from Mental Illness
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How many Witnesses would drink the cool aid at a "Jonestown?"
by Witness 007 inso my mum died from mild form of lukemia which can simply be treated with a blood transfusion each month.
to me this was a watchtower assisted suicide.
the liaison elder encouraged her to "stay strong" and said a prayer.
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Vidiot: Jeezus, what kind of mindset does a person have to have for that?
Masochism
-pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
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WT Child/Sexual Abuse Cases and etc
by jdash ini had this argument with my grandmother and uncles about scandals that the jw's covered up and whatnot, and they won't budge.
i brought up the australian royal commission and of course they laughed.
they then said that the governing body has never lost a sexual abuse case but the "person" who did the crime got charged.
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Can anyone link me some cases where the JW's have lost and had to pay? Thanks!
You might find what you are looking for at this link here:
Barbara has 1000s of pages of court documents available and in some of the cases, the WT did indeed pay out settlements.
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Help with a project, please
by vienne ini'm slowly working on an article for a history journal.
i need watchtower letters, either to the congregations or to individuals from 1940 to 1960. i need them no matter how inconsequential they may seem.
if you have some to share, pm me.
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OrphanCrow
Vienne, this is a large zipfile that contains BOEs and other correspondence for the years 1910-2018. There are some letters that were written between 1940 and 1960 that you may find helpful:
https://mega.nz/#!h9lj0L4T!OQ8Og5jjnv9HOOc95hZ6qFOm5wue__4sxTjrL2xv6cc
and one more link for the same file...
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Did they mean to say the F word here?
by ILoveTTATT2 inthis is from the golden age, august 5, 1931. it is related to an article denouncing the entire medical profession.
i wonder if they meant to say the f word but didn´t dare to.. fudge!.
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amiableatheist: So, I chime in with Jhine, asking -- Is it verified and correct?
It is possible to download the 1931 Golden Age from faithleaks:
https://faithleaks.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:G_E_19310000.pdf
And, yes...the quote in the op is authentic and correct. Apparently, the proofreading wasn't as perfect as some would expect it to be.
I copied this from the above link - it is identical to the OP
*to add: this is the paragraph that precedes the above:
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"Psychiatrist is an Admission of Defeat"
by new boy in“the christian witnesses of jehovah are the best oriented, happiest and most contended group of people on the face of the earth.
so why on earth would any good follower need the help of a mental health professional?” the society tells about the evils of seeking help from outside their organization.
"as a rule, for a christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat.
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Rubadub: Bethel does have a brother who is a psychiatrist on the staff.
Yeah...you have to have two witnesses to your mental health problems in order to get to see him and when you do, he writes you out a prescription for the proper Bibble verses to read that will cure you
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Why Do People Hate Jews???
by minimus ini have never understood anti-semitism .why sooo much hatred?.
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"Some ex-nazis actually converted to Islam"
Yeah...and some ex-Nazis converted to JWism.
That is documented in Wt literature and in other sources. There were several (don't know how many) SS members who became JWs (*including a certain LR's father). They traded the 1000 year reign of the Reich for the 1000 year reign of Christ
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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E
by MaybeSo intv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.
didn't see a post about it yet.
will you be tuning in?
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Simon: The JWs are nowhere near as bad as the Jonestown massacre cult where close to 100% of the members died and outside investigators were murdered.
You are right. 100% of JWs don't face the blood death sacrifice. Only some of them do.
Instead of all the JWs dying for lack of blood....only some are called to the altar of blood.