Not sure if this is what you're looking for:
Jwfacts has an response to vthe WT article that used that image: https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.
OrphanCrow
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Research Help Needed for University Presentation
by dubstepped inmy wife and i will be presenting in a class at the local university in a couple of weeks.
the class is about social media and psychology.
of course they talk about fake news and propaganda.
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Research Help Needed for University Presentation
by dubstepped inmy wife and i will be presenting in a class at the local university in a couple of weeks.
the class is about social media and psychology.
of course they talk about fake news and propaganda.
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OrphanCrow
goneforgood: a picture being worth a thousand words...and if you can backdrop your presentation with images...
I agree. The WT's use of images is critical to their propaganda success. The image is one of the strongest tools that the WT uses.
Violence from god always depicted as the earth opening up, fire from the sky, cities collapsing on fire ... one member here still remembers her fear of the drawing of a girl and her bicycle falling into the void ...published when she was herself a girl with a bicycle.
I would guess that anyone (me included) who cut their teeth on that ugly flamingo orange Paradise book can recall the images far better than they can the words.
The image of the 4 horsemen from that book, and the one with the valley of skulls, gave me nightmares as a child.
Propaganda is all about the image - even when it doesn't use an actual picture, it is the way that words are put together to provoke an internal image that will define the effectiveness of the propaganda's message. The images (written or otherwise) evoke emotions readily and that is what propaganda is all about - appealing to the emotions.
Good luck with your presentation, Dubstepped.
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When you were an active JW, did you ever have dealings with a pyramid scheme?
by Tameria2001 ini'm not sure why this memory popped up, and i was wondering if any others, when they were still active jw had dealings with a pyramid scheme involving other witnesses in the organization?
at the time it was 1993, and my husband and i were still newlyweds.
once in a while, we would attend a neighboring congregation because that was where he grew up, and some of his family was still attending there at the time.
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Smiddy: had a couple of encounters with a brother and a sister that was involved with different types of weight loss schemes.
The "sister" was rather plump and overweight and tried to entice my wife into the scheme ,I tactlessly told her that it didn`t seem to be doing her much good .Hahaha!
*Ps- this thread reads like a Golden Age magazine
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Notice to the Congregation and Members of the Burns Kingdom Hall - possible entitlement to monetary distributions
by OrphanCrow in*i saw this posted on reddit and thought that it might interest some here.... https://btimesherald.com/classifieds/.
notice to the congregation and members of the burns kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses, as of 5-17-2011. notice is hereby given that the trustee of the zelma christine brooks revocable living trust is attempting to identify all qualifying beneficiaries fitting the following description:.
“dedicated, baptized active heads of households, male or female, members of the burns, oregon congregation jehovah’s witnesses,” on the exact date of 5-17-2011.. qualifying individuals may be entitled to monetary distributions from the above named trust.
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OrphanCrow
*I saw this posted on reddit and thought that it might interest some here...
https://btimesherald.com/classifieds/
NOTICE TO THE CONGREGATION and MEMBERS OF THE BURNS KINGDOM HALL OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES, AS OF 5-17-2011
NOTICE is hereby given that the Trustee of the Zelma Christine Brooks Revocable Living Trust is attempting to identify ALL Qualifying Beneficiaries fitting the following description:
“DEDICATED, BAPTIZED ACTIVE HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS, MALE OR FEMALE, MEMBERS OF THE BURNS, OREGON CONGREGATION JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES,” on the exact date of 5-17-2011.
Qualifying individuals may be ENTITLED TO MONETARY DISTRIBUTIONS from the above named trust. Subsequently moving to another congregation, death, becoming a non-member, or being disassociated from the Congregation does NOT necessarily disqualify.
If you feel that you fit this description or know somebody whom you feel rightfully qualifies, please contact the Trustee at:
Trustee of the ZCB RLT
P.O. Box 325
Creswell, OR 97426Publish Feb 27, March 6 and 13, 2019
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Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses
by Room 215 inhttps://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.
it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.
(ouch!
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OrphanCrow
Corney, you do realize that the org didn't really "follow the law" when they constructed many of the KHs in Russia?
I have read personal accounts of Russian exJWs that relate how some of the KHs were built using duplicitous means - getting permits that were dishonest (claiming that they were building either a commercial enterprise or a residential home not at all connected to the religion) and than making efforts to disguise that they were JWs (pretending to be "worldly" by adopting "worldly" behavior when inspectors came around - pretending to smoke, etc). and then, once things started "going south" in the Russian courts, the org asked the Russian JWs (who had built those KHs with their own money and labor) to transfer ownership out of the country to European JWs.
The org didn't really "follow the law" to begin with and now they are paying the price. And, to be clear - I am not talking about "religion" and all the supposed "freedoms" that are supposed to go along with that concept - I am talking about dishonest practices in the org's construction/real estate industry.
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Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses
by Room 215 inhttps://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.
it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.
(ouch!
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OrphanCrow
A thread about the org's Russian properties:
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Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses
by Room 215 inhttps://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.
it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.
(ouch!
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OrphanCrow
"According to the JW representative, the total value of JW properties that either have been confiscated or subject to confiscation is approximately $75,361,314."
Right. Total value. That means that is what its potential value is...market value. Now.
I wonder how much was invested in those properties. How much real money went into them. Consider that the value (potential) has large amounts of volunteer labor imbedded into it.
* Didn't Michael Jackson donate a huge chunk to purchase land for the admin center?
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JW at a thrift store....
by Muddy Waters inso i was recently in a thrift store, looking through some of the stuff there, when another aisle over, somebody sneezed.. (as far as i know, nobody lost a meatball.... 😅🙃 ...).
anyway, somebody sneezed.
and somebody immediately said, “bless you!”.
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OrphanCrow
Oh geez, Muddy Waters. Some JWs really shouldn't go out in public.
Your story reminds me of a time when I went shopping with my JW sister several years ago. We ended up in the shampoo aisle and she had a bit of a fit when I picked up a bottle of Herbal Essence shampoo. She stuck her chin out a bit, lifted up her nose and said "Hmph. We don't buy that shampoo. It isn't Christian".
I think I had the same kind of look on my face as you did...a deer in headlights moment. I asked her "why?" and she responded with "Well! Because of the commercial".
I didn't know what to say. My eyeballs almost fell out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOIPUEQIyQ
*ps....I bought the shampoo
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Leaving Neverland the Micheal Jackson documentary
by Finkelstein inleaving neverland the micheal jackson documentary was just released and i must say watching it myself left me pretty disgusted but not necessarily surprised.. being that there is two accounts given by two separate boys, men now, leaves the impression that their stories are truthful and factual.. what one can take from this story is that mj was a megalomaniac that thought he had the power, money and personal stature to get away with just about anything he wanted, this included pedophilia with boys.
i wonder if the over oppression restrictive nature of being brought up a child in the jws religion had an effect to his loose out of control behavior of a super rich celebrity ?.
his celebrity status and wealth really came to him when he was a pubescent young boy/teen, money in such a huge amount made anything he wanted or could afford possible.. personally i think he was inherently gay and had pursued arranged marriages to protect his perceived public image, a pretentious act which was mostly devised as a money and business endeavor .
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Cofty, thanks for posting a link to that study. I downloaded it and read it along with another one that was pertinent to the methodology that the researchers used to make up their study sample. The other one I read is this one:
Multiple Paraphilic Diagnoses among Sex Offenders
Gene G. Abel, MD; Judith V. Becker, PhD; Jerry Cunningham-Rathner, BA; Mary Mittelman, DrPH; and Joanne-L. Rouleau, PhD
I read that one so I could evaluate how it was that the researchers in the study you posted had defined their sample group and how they had arrived at the decisions they did to determine who got included and who was eliminated from their sample.
My conclusion is that a person is on real shaky ground if they think that the study can be used to extrapolate to the larger population, or even if it is a valid measurement of what the researchers say they are measuring. I am not going to get into all the problems that the study faces, but the very first clue is in the sample selection - the researchers skewed the study population before they even started - a large group that was likely heterosexual was eliminated and not even included in the study.
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Will You Stop Listening To Michael Jackson’s Music?
by minimus insince the hbo documentary, more people are condemning mj.
will these child abuse allegations affect you if you ever liked his music?.
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oops...I posted on the wrong thread...sorry!