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  Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions

  by Mr Negative in

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  my mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.

  i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.

  is this true?

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  OrphanCrow

  The Watchtower always made it clear that the prohibition of blood was NOT based on any practical health benefit (although they always brought it up) but was based strictly on God's law of the sanctity of blood

  Well, the WTS didn't do that in the Russian court documents and they don't do that in many of thier bloodless promotions. They clearly take quotes out of context and clearly use mis-quoted 'expert opinions' to give the appearance that their blood doctrine is supported by the medical community.

  No, the WTS is not clear - they deliberately obscure the facts.
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  Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions

  by Mr Negative in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  my mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.

  i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.

  is this true?

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  OrphanCrow

  I would like to add to this discussion another doctor quote used by the WTS that I just tracked down.

  In another thread about Russia banning the JWs, I had posted a court transcript from Russia and within that transcript, an expert's opinion on bloodless surgery was used. Mr. Stephen Pollard is a surgeon in the UK. I sent Mr. Pollard an email inquiring about his report and he gave me permission to use his quote. So, here is the email conversation.

  Dear Mr Pollard,

  I am doing research into bloodless medicine and I have discovered that you had the opportunity to prepare a statement for the Russian courts for the Jehovah's Witnesses in support of bloodless medicine. Would you be able to give me some information on that? "British surgeon Professor Stephen Pollard said in his expert opinion prepared for the Golovinsky court: "Everything is becoming more common treatment of patients are not Jehovah's Witnesses (especially doctors), to abstain from blood transfusions based solely on their knowledge of the risks associated with transfusion (consultant surgeon University Hospital St. James, Leeds, United Kingdom)." Thank you

  Mr. Pollard's reply:

  I have been forwarded your e-mail. This statement must have been many years ago and I have no record or recollection of it.

  I can be fairly sure that it would have been prepared at the request of a super chap called Jon Patterson, who was the JW hospital liaison officer at St James's Hospital for many years and with whom I had many dealings is the 1990s, so he might be your best starting point.

  Good luck!

  Steve Pollard

  Me again:

  Dear Mr Pollard,

  Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my inquiry. I hope you don't mind if I ask you one more question? Are you still of the opinion that 'bloodless' surgery is preferable to blood transfusions? And is this method actually becoming more common outside of the JW population, "especially doctors"? Thank you

  Mr. Pollard:

  I am not against blood transfusion but I have always felt that if you avoid a transfusion it is better; in particular if you set out to not lose blood it keeps your surgical skills crisper, the outcomes are better (and cheaper - transfused blood is expensive and the NHS is broke). Also blood availability can be an issue at Christmas and during the summer when people are away.

  I have not really seen any change over the past 20 years to be honest.

  Best wishes,

  Steve

  It seems like the WTS has a habit of taking doctor opinion out of context. When you read the court transcript, it sounds like Mr. Pollard is advocating for abstaining from blood for all patients, including doctors. The quote gives the impression as though "even doctors" are making the choice to abstain from blood. "Abstaining from blood" translates into "NO Blood".

  However, when you read Mr. Pollard's email reply, this is, and was not, his position - avoiding the over-use of blood is far, far, different than 'abstaining from blood'.
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  Revelation, its Grand Climax.... remember when?

  by wallsofjericho in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember being at the assembly in 1988?

  when this was released.

  everyone was so excited that we finally had a simple explanation of revelation with pictures.

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  OrphanCrow

  There's a reason the End of the World has always held a place of fascination for people.

  ...and upon the wings of myth, our human story is told...

  On a more practical level, I sometimes wish Hollywood would go all-in and adapt it, just to show how horrible a Revelation -based Apocalypse would actually be.

  That would be spectacular. An cgi version of the book of Revelation.

  I like the book of Ezekiel too. Heavily loaded with visual imagery.

  C.S. Lewis used many images from Ezekiel in parts of The Space Trilogy that he authored.
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  The Jonestown Massacre, Remembered

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/.

  it was 36 years ago today.. the watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping.

  unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didnat occur at once and in one location.. .

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  Good thread, Londo.

  The Watchtower's Death Doctrine has been in place since 1945 - almost 70 years of people being convinced to give their life to the Blood God.

  70 years next year. Maybe we should plan a memorial event of some kind - a day of mourning for all those who have died needlessly over the past 7 decades, all over the world. A day of remembrance on the same day that the Death Doctrine was introduced in the Watchtower.
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  A fascinating invention is being tested here in our little village.

  by Gregor in

  1. social
  2. current

  it is a beautifully simple machine that produces electricity from moving water.. we live on the columbia river 3 miles above the huge bonneville dam hydro-electric installation.. we have an abandoned lock that was built about one hundred years ago to lift river traffic around the rapids formed thousands of years ago when the naturally formed bridge of the gods collapsed.

  the river now flows through it next to thunder island.. recently, an experimental device called the "eco-auger" was lowered into the locks current to begin tests of the beta model.

  it is about the size of a small school bus.

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  I'm on the Coast, so it's all pine trees and beach rock, with some nice sand (white) beaches as well.

  Ah...you must be near Port Dufferin. I have a friend who lives there but I have only been as far as Amherst.

  Okay, so say 'aunt' ... I gotta hear it! :D

  Lol! Yup...did it!

  Not "ant" ...ya gotta get the goose honk in there and down in the throat to really make the honk good...awwnt. :D
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  A fascinating invention is being tested here in our little village.

  by Gregor in

  1. social
  2. current

  it is a beautifully simple machine that produces electricity from moving water.. we live on the columbia river 3 miles above the huge bonneville dam hydro-electric installation.. we have an abandoned lock that was built about one hundred years ago to lift river traffic around the rapids formed thousands of years ago when the naturally formed bridge of the gods collapsed.

  the river now flows through it next to thunder island.. recently, an experimental device called the "eco-auger" was lowered into the locks current to begin tests of the beta model.

  it is about the size of a small school bus.

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  OrphanCrow

  What a great invention, Gregor. Old, simple technology adapted for current use fascinates me. The application of the Archimedes screw is brilliant.

  I live a short drive from the Bay of Fundy

  Yeah? I lived in Amherst NS for a few months once (1991) - just long enough to pick up on how to say 'roof' and 'aunt' with a Maritime twang. What I remember about that part of Canada is that the wind blew every single day and the red soil tracked into my home on a continual basis.
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  Revelation, its Grand Climax.... remember when?

  by wallsofjericho in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember being at the assembly in 1988?

  when this was released.

  everyone was so excited that we finally had a simple explanation of revelation with pictures.

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  OrphanCrow

  As I recall the Cedar Point convention refered to was held in 1922 but really, what difference does it make? These so called important years are not even HINTED at in the Bible. 1918,1919, 1922, 1931, 1935,(now demoted) 1975 et all.

  I forgot. There were 7 trumpet blasts and I think that one is attributed to the release of The Golden Age and the others to some other obscure thing going on in different years.

  Eh...

  I have a confession. I like the book of Revelation. I have made a whole series of paintings and art work that are based upon verses from that book. I remember being really little and having to endure the twisted up interpretations of that first Babylon The Great book. It was so weird - growing up and finding out what real politics and real history said as opposed to a screwed up Biblical interpretation dreamed up by some old guys.

  I always wanted to 'figure out' that book. So I have read it over and over and over again over the years. The book is rich in visual imagery and rather fun once you get into it. I see it as a great piece of literature - loaded with metaphors and literary narratives that can be translated into events that occur at many social levels - the personal included. It is a great source book for artistic expression.

  Today, I enjoy the book. I have several pieces of art that I have made that hang on my walls based on the book of Revelation.

  I own my very own interpretation of it now. I have made the book of Revelation my own story. I have power over the book of Revelation - the one that the Watchtower used in my childhood to fuck with my head. It is mine now. I own it.
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  Revelation, its Grand Climax.... remember when?

  by wallsofjericho in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember being at the assembly in 1988?

  when this was released.

  everyone was so excited that we finally had a simple explanation of revelation with pictures.

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  OrphanCrow

  What I always thought was ludicrious, was the trumphet blasts equalling some obscure conventions at a theme park location in Cedar Point, Ohio. The audacity to proclaim that the nonsense proclomations that J.F. Rutherford was spewing at that time was the equivalent to the trumphet blasts mentioned in the Bible was ludicrious in the extreme. The middle of Ohio, in the mid-1930's you say?

  I might have this wrong, but...didn't the Cedar Point convention that was supposed to be where the trumpet blast occured the one held in 1919?

  The convention where The Golden Age magazine was announced? The magazine that would never have been produced if Russell's will had been followed? The magazine that was supposed to herald in the 'golden age' of scientific innovations that would ensure everlasting life in the future?
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  Really, they have files on murder?

  I would imagine they do. The WTS encourages its members to troll prisons for converts.

  Don't forget about Rose West, the serial killer from the UK. She now claims to have JW status.

  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/619953/News-Crime-West-is-a-Jehovah.html

  And the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7926151/Yorkshire-Ripper-Peter-Sutcliffe-challenges-whole-life-ruling.html
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  Need a native English speaker to proofread my personal statement

  by will-be-apostate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings to all of you :) finally, i gathered some courage and finished my personal statement...at least it's in its most final state it ever was.. i would like to ask somebody, a native english speaker to proofread it for me because it may contain some mistakes.

  post it here if you have 10 minutes to help me out, and i'll pm you it.. thank you in advance :).

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  OrphanCrow

  Okay. Send it to me.