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  Implications of gay marriage ruling

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. social
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  while many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.

  but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.

  five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.

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  VI: Who would decide child custody cases and divorce disputes over property?

  Uummmm....church elders? I guess?
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  my 2cents on the reason for keeping tabs on inactive

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think there is.

  2 schools of thoght on the reasons why they want records on inactive school 1.round this loose ends up we have to many fadeing and getting amnesty we want to keep tabs on them because they have influence on those still active so tighten up no loopholes make them pay for leaving the organization, school2.these are sincerely.

  intrested in helping those who hate our guts because we treated them in an unloveing way or they feel your just are a little stupid and let the loveing shepards help you so it is intresting i also think the circuit ovetseers and yes men have hoodwinked the gb into thinking everthing is just dandy in spirtual paradise these reasons why some ate inactive will be eye opening to some of the gb and hopefully they will see people as fellow humans and not stupid little chilldren that need a human master.

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  I think that they are trying to dissasociate themselves from those who aren't under their control. That would be why they need names and such.

  There has been so much negative publicity concerning JW child abuse and other nefarious matteres, that they want to assertively say "Hey! He is NOT a JW! We talked to him last week - see...he is not one of us."

  The WTS is cutting ties with anyone who could potentially get in some kind of trouble that would get media attention.

  I think they are "cleaning" so they can draw a clear line between the JW who got charged with child rape and the bad guy who did it because he wasn't a JW.
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  Update on Royal Commission - "Child sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimony"

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  newcastle heraldchild sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimonyby joanne mccarthy sept. 10, 2015, 10:30 p.mthe royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse held its 4000th private hearing in a jail in august as britain followed australias lead in tackling child sexual abuse.the royal commission heard evidence on august 19 from a prisoner who had been sexually abused as a child.in britain, the head of its newly established independent inquiry into child sexual abuse praised the remarkable response to the australian commission.in a speech to australian church leaders on thursday, royal commissioner justice peter mcclellan said he was pleased the british inquiry would closely follow successful australian arrangements.more than 1500 people were waiting for a private hearing and about 40 people a week requested a private hearing, justice mcclellan said.the royal commission has received 16,361 allegations involving 3566 institutions since it was established in november 2012 following the newcastle heralds shine the light campaign for a royal commission into historic child sexual abuse.more than 7000 allegations relate to religious institutions, with 4418 against the catholic church, and more than 3600 against government institutions.allegations against other churches are: anglican, 871; uniting church, 411; presbyterian, 123; methodist, 69; salvation army, 519; jehovahs witnesses, 137; jewish, 80; baptist, 59; seventh day adventist, 56; australian christian churches, 50; lutheran, 32; brethren, 30; mormon, 18; coptic orthodox, 4; and greek orthodox, 2.justice mcclellan said the royal commission had referred 727 matters to police to investigate with a view to prosecuting alleged offenders.in the past few weeks, the royal commission had reported to the federal government on a national redress scheme for victims of abuse.it was clear that time limits presented a considerable, and sometimes an insurmountable, burden for survivors wishing to commence civil proceedings against child sex offenders and institutions, he said.the royal commission should also mark the end of the societal norm that children should be seen but not heard, he said.when the required silence of the child was accompanied by an unquestioning belief by adults in the integrity of the carer ... the power imbalance was entrenched to the inevitable detriment of many children, justice mcclellan said.we must ensure that in the future the institution does not silence the child.

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  Suzann: I was just curious as to why it says there were 137 allegations against JW's when we know there are over 1000 perpetrators?

  The number of perpetrators is the number in the WTS files that the Commission subpoened.

  The 137 allegations is the number of victims that have given testimony. The Commission doesn't subpoena victim testimony. It is voluntary. 137 victims have come forward to give statements to the Commission.

  I think that is what the 137 means...
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  Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

  by OneStepOut93 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i may take my fiance to a meeting.

  give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

  he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

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  Oh dear. I have to stop...

  We would have to have a doctrine and belief. We could have a belief that we are the chosen who have survived Armageddon, and that right now, it is the final seconds before that 1000 year event where Satan is coming and gonna eat up all the bad guys for one last time.

  We could be the JWs of the future...we just got our time frame off. We believe that this here right now is Paradise Earth and that the cleanup has failed so Satan is coming. Armageddon happened ages ago...
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  Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

  by OneStepOut93 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i may take my fiance to a meeting.

  give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

  he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

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  It sure would be fun, James!

  You could really tweak it to...have all of the Family members be mute. Big, happy smiles and looks. Shaking everyone's hands...the other hand with the bibble - a black book that looks like a bible but is actually George Orwell's 1984.

  And there would be two leaders who would do all the talking and communicating for the group. A man and a woman. They would either speak in unison or if one spoke, the other would repeat it. They would explain that in their religion, man and woman were exactly equal.

  I think one piece overalls would work for the 'uniform'. All the same color. Grey. Neutral.
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  Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

  by OneStepOut93 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i may take my fiance to a meeting.

  give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

  he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

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  Even better! Phone the elders ahead of time. Say that you are a pastor of a small church that would really LOVE to come to the KH to find out about the JWs. Say you want to know if it be ok to attend and bring your "Family". Ask when it would be best to attend.

  The whole congregation will turn out...to welcome you and your family. How could they call the cops then?
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  Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

  by OneStepOut93 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i may take my fiance to a meeting.

  give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

  he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

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  James: What would happen if 10-20 DF people walked into the hall at the same time.
  Fill the back two rows of the KH.

  I like your idea, James. But, then, I am a big fan of the Guerilla Girls...

  What could be even more interesting would be if all the DF people dress exactly the same..eh, it would be great to have more than 20. You could even recruit friends and whoever wanted to participate, they wouldn't have to be exJWs. The uniform has to be something strange, not the regular shirt and tie shit. Women dressed the same as the men. Exactly the same. Maybe an odd thing done to eveybody's hair...greased back. Women and men.

  Attend a Sunday talk. The one "open to the public". Love bomb the congregation. Get there early and just mingle and smile. Hold a bibble in your hands. But don't ever engage in a biblical discussion with it. Never open your bibble. It would be one of your cult rules - godd speaks through the bibble - you should never open the sacred pages - holding it is enough if your faith is strong enough. Rules are rules!

  Become a cult visiting another cult. And, if the elders get all wierded out, just say, "Oh, but we do this as part of our ministry - we visit and socialize with all churches! Today is your lucky day! See? We have worked hard to prepare...we love you so much that we read the Watchtower and can't wait to get started!"

  If the elders get all officious and say they will call the cops, have a really serious guy, in a dark suit and sunglasses, engage them in a discussion on First Amendment rights and that this cult is allowed to attend their public event.

  Be polite and sweet and nauseating as hell....compliant and just happy, happy, happy. Interupt the speaker with a polite question whenever you can...and smile all the time. don't blink a lot. Or maybe, have a couple of the zombies blink lots.

  I would consider doing that! Make up my own cult and visit a Kingdom Hall. A cult whose ministry is visiting other churches. For polite but extremely unsettling disruption.

  Hmmmm....
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  Implications of gay marriage ruling

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. social
  2. current

  while many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.

  but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.

  five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.

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  cappytan: I'm of the opinion that the government should have absolutely nothing to say about marriage between consenting adults at all.
  its none of their damn business.

  I think it absolutely is the business of government to ensure that all people are given the rights they are entitled to.

  By saying that government should stay out of it, the default position for that is...what? that religion should concern themselves with the legalities of marriage?

  If it isn't the business of government...then tell me, whose business is it? Who is going to stand up for the rights of the minority??
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  Implications of gay marriage ruling

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. social
  2. current

  while many think that the ruling is good for the gays and their response is: how does that affect your marriage; then on the other side the religious people cry god and sinners.

  but both are missing the forest through the trees.. the problem with the ruling is that which is discussed here so many times.

  five unelected federal officials decided on policy for the whole country, running roughshod over every democratic principle.

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  Garyneal: ...a dissenting opinion on the gay marriage ruling...

  A "dissenting opinion" is always welcomed here. Ignorance and inaccurate facts that those opinions are based upon are not.

  I would hope that those positions will always be challenged.
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  She is a different person since accepting Jesus . . .

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning, i was working at a home where the tv had been left on.

  i listened in but didn't watch, for the most part.

  ms. davis was flanked by her lawyer and another gentleman.

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  Wasonceanelder, can you provide a source for the image you posted? I am pretty curious about the sign hanging on the wall behind them...is it a manipulated image?