a couple of excerpts from an interview with john lee hooker, american blues legend, a few years before he died in 2001. i found this to be somewhat humorous.. have you been married more than once?.
four times.
i aint never gonna get married again.
I wonder if John Lee got too close to Larry Graham's circle of friend's in the music industry?
Larry Graham converted to the JWs in 1975 (Larry must have been trying to get in under the wire) and he brought others besides Prince into the Paradise Choir.
a couple of excerpts from an interview with john lee hooker, american blues legend, a few years before he died in 2001. i found this to be somewhat humorous.. have you been married more than once?.
four times.
i aint never gonna get married again.
Huh. Screwing around with my head now, too...I didn't know that Johnny was a JW.
Sometimes, some things are just too much information, right, Flipper?
ali did not serve even five minutes of time in prison and that had zero to do with hayden c. covington..
june 19, 1967 in houston, tex..
there are a number of salient facts concerning this man who possessed a big reputation..
Terry: The key to understanding the Rutherford years is pretty much tied up in the personality of J.F. Rutherford and his relationships with others. He was a slash and burn leader with fulminations, expostulations, and no recriminations.
That is true.
I also think that key to understanding the Rutherford years is looking at how it played out against the social and poilitical backdrop of its time.
At the same time that the Rutherford/Covington/Moyle drama was being played out in the American legal system, the "children of the king" were standing up in schoolrooms refusing to salute the flag. And, over in Germany, Erich Frost was turning in the WT people he didn't like to the Nazis. (Instead of Covington in the court room, the German Watchtower, in 1933, employed two lawyers who were members of the Nazi party.)
Historians state several resons why the JWs in the German camps were treated better after 1942 - mainly, the intervention of Heinrich's widow and Dr. Kersten - but, another event that was critical, I think, was Rutherford's death. And the taking over of the WTS presidency by Nathan Knorr - a man with wealthy family connections in Germany.
In 1942, the control of the WTS changed from a bully who was a mortal enemy of Hitler to a man with German roots and influence.
ali did not serve even five minutes of time in prison and that had zero to do with hayden c. covington..
june 19, 1967 in houston, tex..
there are a number of salient facts concerning this man who possessed a big reputation..
Terry: Notice how this UNTRUTH is presented:
..........Moyle quit, and left Brother Rutherford holding the bag.
Lol! You had to bring up Olin, didntya, Terry? How could you not when speaking of Rutherford and Covington?
Sure..."Moyle quit". Sure, if you buy the fairy tales that spew forth from the WTS.
But, for an better look at Moyle's role back in the 30s and 40s, here is a link to
the transcripts of the Olin R. Moyle Trial that was concluded in 1943.
https://archive.org/details/OlinR.MoyleTrial
Olin R. Moyle v. Fred Franz et al (1943). Complete transcript of this landmark trial and includes background. Moyle sued the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) for libel and was awarded damages. Includes testimony from several notable Watchtower leaders.
And another link to the WTS' attack on Olin Moyle:
https://archive.org/details/1941WatchtowerConventionCondemnsOlinR.Moyle
1941 Watchtower Convention Condemns Olin R. Moyle. Scan of the resolution adopted by the Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses in St Louis, Missouri condemning Olin R. Moyle. In 1939, Moyle resigned as legal counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses in a letter criticizing "Judge" J.F. Rutherford, second president of Jehovah's Witnesses. Rutherford published statements against Moyle which were held to be libelous in US Courts and Moyle was awarded $15,000 in damages. The Convention resolution against Moyle was mentioned in a 1941 Watchtower magazine issue (which is also included in this file).The St. Louis Assembly held in the summer of 1941 was one of the "Children of The King" assemblies. The one where the WTS had 15,000 children registered, 1,300 children baptized and all 15,000 pledge allegiance to the Watchtower Society. Those were the children that Covington used to challenge the US pledge of allegiance and it was their refusal to salute the flag or pledge allegiance that the 1943 Barnette Scotus ruling emerged from. Right smack dab in the middle of WW2.
The "Children of the King" assemblies were the last speaking tour that the Judge made - he died in January of 1942.
http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/reply/349311/Pure-indoctrination-its-NOT-cute-at-all#reply-349311
ali did not serve even five minutes of time in prison and that had zero to do with hayden c. covington..
june 19, 1967 in houston, tex..
there are a number of salient facts concerning this man who possessed a big reputation..
Thank you, Terry.
An intriguing look at the inside WTS power politics during those years. Covington and Rutherford made quite the pair.
as sometimes happens at elders meetings with the co, he has a letter from the branch to read out.
this rarely is made available later so any policies have to be acted on from memory.
this visit a letter was read about blurring of the genders and in particular brothers dressing in a metrosexual style - tight clothing was mentioned again.
2011
The Enemy Within: Homosexuality in the Third Reich, 1933-1945
Eliot H. Boden
Illinois Wesleyan University,
*italicized words added by myself:
The Nazi regime (*Watchtower Society) was unquestionably opposed to homosexuality. For party leaders (*Governing Body members), same-sex romance posed an intolerable challenge to the notion of the inherent superiority of the Teutonic race and German culture (*Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witness religion), and therefore had to be swiftly and mercilessly eliminated.
Relentless discrimination against homosexuals suppressed the discomforting fact that many loyal Nazis (*Bethelites), inundated with propaganda venerating the beauty of the masculine form, themselves concealed homoerotic desires. In spite of inflammatory homophobic rhetoric, psychologists and ideologues (*the Writing/Art Department and Service Department) alike were often confounded by the supposed deviant nature of homosexuality.
In part due to contradictory and inconsistent attitudes, homosexuals were a rigorously, but inconsistently persecuted minority in the Third Reich (*Watchtower Society).
For full article:
http://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1138&context=constructing
ali did not serve even five minutes of time in prison and that had zero to do with hayden c. covington..
june 19, 1967 in houston, tex..
there are a number of salient facts concerning this man who possessed a big reputation..
Terry, I am unable to provide the reference for this, but I have read somewhere that Hayden Covington was actually Rutherford's choice for his successor as president of the WTS but that Knorr and Franz shouldered Covington aside on the basis that Covington was not a member of the "anointed" and both of them were.
Rutherford stole the WTS power after Russell's death and then Knorr and Franz did the same thing after Rutherford died. Thieves in charge of the WT corporation.
about a month ago, i had started a thread about a video the wts had released of an interview with the minister of tourism for zimbabwe.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/430330002/interview-zimbabwes-minister-tourism-jw-hq.
the video in that thread is no longer online.. the following article highlights the relgious tourism that the jehovah's witnesses have brought to africa.. african govts must prioritise tourism for economic growth: mzembi.
african governments must prioritise tourism development to stimulate economic growth and development on the continent, tourism minister walter mzembi has said.mzembi, who is also united nations world tourism organisation (unwto) chairman of the commission for africa, said tourism had long-term intangible benefits that came with enhancing destinations amid reports that zimbabwes projected 5,1% tourism growth for 2015/16 was ahead of all other economic sectors.. he advocated for the scaling up of religious tourism, telling the audience that jehovahs witnesses who thronged zimbabwe for their first international convention in the country had set a fine example which should be followed by all church organisations.. jehovahs witnesses held their international convention in harare.
SSS: You're clearly interested in African history and the impact religion has had on it so when I get back from vacation I'll go through my books and put together a list of recommended reading if you like (we get back tomorrow so I'll have a good list for you by Tuesday).
Cool. I like reading lists and recommendations.
The African "squirrel" is one that I chase on occasion! I have an interest in world politics and the history of politics in Africa is one that has interesed me for many years, long before I knew much about anything political other than what the WTS had written. I think I have always wanted to untangle the political web from the old red "Babylon the Great" book that I had to read when I was in grade school!
A friend of mine gave me this book to read:
Ways of Staying (by Kevin Bloom)
Over the years, the position of the white South African inside the country could either be labelled a curse or a blessing. Unlike their black fellow countrymen who were tied down by ancestry, when trouble came knocking, whites could always haul out the passports and ‘pack for Perth’. In Ways of Staying (published in 2010 by Portobello Books), South African journalist Kevin Bloom ponders ways of staying even when circumstances motivate for the chicken run.
The book was inspired by the gruesome murder of his cousin, Richard Bloom and his partner, actor Brett Goldin in Cape Town. He takes the reader by the hand into the inner circle of the extended Bloom family as they weigh their options, presented by the brutal murder of their son, brother and cousin.
I have aquaintences here in Canada who come fromSouth Africa and who still have family there. I was attempting to understand some of their stories. The book is very good.
about a month ago, i had started a thread about a video the wts had released of an interview with the minister of tourism for zimbabwe.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/430330002/interview-zimbabwes-minister-tourism-jw-hq.
the video in that thread is no longer online.. the following article highlights the relgious tourism that the jehovah's witnesses have brought to africa.. african govts must prioritise tourism for economic growth: mzembi.
african governments must prioritise tourism development to stimulate economic growth and development on the continent, tourism minister walter mzembi has said.mzembi, who is also united nations world tourism organisation (unwto) chairman of the commission for africa, said tourism had long-term intangible benefits that came with enhancing destinations amid reports that zimbabwes projected 5,1% tourism growth for 2015/16 was ahead of all other economic sectors.. he advocated for the scaling up of religious tourism, telling the audience that jehovahs witnesses who thronged zimbabwe for their first international convention in the country had set a fine example which should be followed by all church organisations.. jehovahs witnesses held their international convention in harare.
SSS: Christianity and Islam have played a huge role in the shaping and destruction of African cultures. The fact that missionaries were a necessary part of successful colonization was not lost on those rebelling against colonialism and imperialism.
Religious missionaries have always been used as a front line colonial assimilation tool. And especially since the advent of the printed word which makes the spread of political ideoology under the guise of "religious insruction" particulary powerful.
And let's not forget Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the Nazi SS, whose post-war plans included using the Jehovah's Witnesses as a way to keep Germany's conquered lands under control. He was especially impressed with their ideology of loyalty and non-poltical stance.
SSS: From the very early uprisings in Africa (particularly the Mau Mau uprising) missionaries were particularly targeted for being associated with colonialism and I can't say I blame them.
The WTS has had a presence in Africa almost since the very beginning of the Bible Student movement. I don't have all the dates and such...this is from my "cole's notes/memory"...but from what I can recollect, the WTS lost control of the Bible Students in Africa quite early in the 20th C. It was only later...not sure the year, after much political turmoil involving the political influence that the JWs/WT movement had in African politics, that the New York WT Society got control of the JWs in Africa again after making deals with African governments.
...or something like that.
The Jehovah's Witnesses/WT movement in Africa is still fairly fractured, with offshoots emerging and/or still hanging on to the WTS control.
about a month ago, i had started a thread about a video the wts had released of an interview with the minister of tourism for zimbabwe.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/430330002/interview-zimbabwes-minister-tourism-jw-hq.
the video in that thread is no longer online.. the following article highlights the relgious tourism that the jehovah's witnesses have brought to africa.. african govts must prioritise tourism for economic growth: mzembi.
african governments must prioritise tourism development to stimulate economic growth and development on the continent, tourism minister walter mzembi has said.mzembi, who is also united nations world tourism organisation (unwto) chairman of the commission for africa, said tourism had long-term intangible benefits that came with enhancing destinations amid reports that zimbabwes projected 5,1% tourism growth for 2015/16 was ahead of all other economic sectors.. he advocated for the scaling up of religious tourism, telling the audience that jehovahs witnesses who thronged zimbabwe for their first international convention in the country had set a fine example which should be followed by all church organisations.. jehovahs witnesses held their international convention in harare.
This book looks like it could be an interesting read:
A Complicated War: The Harrowing of Mozambique (Perspectives on Southern Africa)
A Complicated War combines frontline reporting, personal narrative, political analysis, and comparative scholarship to present a picture of a Mozambique harrowed by profound local conflicts—ethnic, religious, political and personal. Finnegan writes that South Africa's domination and destabilization are basic elements of Mozambique's plight, but he offers a subtle description and analysis that will allow us to see the post-apartheid region from a new, more realistic, if less comfortable, point of view.
The book was published in 1992 and the author, William Finnegan, mentions an encounter with the Jehovah's Witnesses in Malawi during his visit to Africa. I have not read the book yet, but this is the quote from Google books:
...As we neared Phalombe, we passed a big, extremely neat, canico village. "Jehovah's Witnesses," Tauzene said. The village was obviously new and looked unusually well built. The huts were large with separate cookiing huts, separate shower huts with L-shaped entrances, graneries, gardens full of greens, wells with fences around them and stairways down into them, latrines that were clearly well reinforced. "they are very industrious," Tauzene said.
They are more than that. A veteran correspondent living in Zimbabwe once told me that the only thing that united nearly all African governments was their hatred and persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses. Frelimo had expelled thousands from the cities. Many of those Mozambican Witnesses had ended up fleeing from Remino into Malawi, where the persecution was actually worse. A large number of Malawian Witnesses had been reportedly killed in 1967 for refusing to pledge allegiance to the Banda governement and more than one thousand fled into Mozambique. The Witnesses living near Phalombe, I had heard, were Malawians who had fled to Mozambique and had recently come back - on the assumption that they would be safe from persecution if they lived near the big refugee camps that were getting all the international attention. If they actually had only recently returned to Malawi, they would have had to cross.....
...and that is where the next page is missing. I guess I will have to try to get the book.
