Posts by OrphanCrow

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Where does the money come from to operate the Hospital Information network?

by OrphanCrow in

the recent buzz that has hit the online communities concerning the watchtower society and their evil offspring - the jw org - revolves around their apparent financial difficulties.

many factors have been discussed - the real estate flips (and flops), the changes in meetings and field service, the need for donations to cover expenses, the push for donations.

where does the money come from to operate the hospital information network?

OrphanCrow

Landy: The HLC's are just a bunch of elders who are able to talk to doctors about the possibility of alternative treatments. That's it. They aren't paid for anything - the costs of dissemination of any information to them will be negligible.

Landy, the HLC is only the visible part of the entire medical network that is necessary for the WTS to disseminate the information that the HLC is responsible for. To get an idea of who the HLC is, think of an baptized publisher in the field service hierarchy. That is where the HLC member is situated. Above the "unbaptized" ones - the elders who implement the blood policies at the mundane but essential level - with the targeted group of medical subjects - the JWs themselves.

Above the HLC guys is an entire medical network who establish protocol and organize liaisons with medical establishments and pharma companies. Rising up through the ranks of the HLC network could land, and has landed, the really slick ones into prominent international positions in the field of blood management. (Shannon Farmer, for one. There are many more) Each country has a branch of Hospital Information Services, most of them run by JW doctors.

Not only that, but the amount of material produced over the past seven decades by the WTS concerning blood and how to influence the medical world with their version of treatment, has been very substantial and comes from the maintenance of a large, large medical library. The cost of researching, producing and distributing some of their historical "medical information" in the form of hefty volumes and visual media would be large.

I do not think that the cost is 'negligible'. Far from it. Far, far from it.

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Where does the money come from to operate the Hospital Information network?

by OrphanCrow in

the recent buzz that has hit the online communities concerning the watchtower society and their evil offspring - the jw org - revolves around their apparent financial difficulties.

many factors have been discussed - the real estate flips (and flops), the changes in meetings and field service, the need for donations to cover expenses, the push for donations.

where does the money come from to operate the hospital information network?

OrphanCrow

The recent buzz that has hit the online communities concerning the Watchtower Society and their evil offspring - the JW org - revolves around their apparent financial difficulties. Many factors have been discussed - the real estate flips (and flops), the changes in meetings and field service, the need for donations to cover expenses, the push for donations. Donations to presumably cover the cost of "worldwide preaching work", Jehovah's construction plans, translation offices...
There is one part of the Watchtower Society that is never discussed when it comes to financial outlays and expense of the WTS. And, this unmentioned "arm" of the WTS octopus is a substantial one and one that would require a substantial investment to keep operating. And, this arm keeps operating and is very active. That arm is the WTS' Hospital International Information Services. This operation is a complex and and weighty part of the WTS' concerns.
The HIS oversees branches in almost every country they operate in and their function is to train and maintain teams of JW men who we know as the Hospital Liasion Comittees, the HLC. And to maintain connections with the pharmaceutical and medical world. This network of people are governed by a quasi-medical people who are JWs. The WTS maintains a huge medical library that is "everything you ever wanted to know about blood" and up until recently, they produced copius amounts of promotional propagnada for the so-called "bloodless" field of medicine. They continue to produce and distribute their "blood management" propaganda throughout medical establishments across the globe. The entire network is very complex and exerts a worldwide influence. And it would take a lot of money to keep it operational - the investments into training, producing all the promontional material, and maintaining a medical library would be substantial.
My question is this - where does the money come from to keep this monster quasi-medical organization afloat - the Hospital International Information Services? Does the WTS ever solicit donations for the financing of the HLC network? The WTS asks for donations to literature and Kingdom Hall concerns, and world wide missionary work, etc, etc. but is the HLC ever mentioned?
Does anyone have any information on how the funding (which would be substantial) for the Hospital Information network is handled? Who pays for that "service"? Does anybody even care? Does anyone besides me ever wonder about how the WTS' medical arm is financed? Or how much it costs to keep it going? Where does the money come from to operate the hospital information network?

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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

by slimboyfat in

recent developments make me think they might be.

the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

OrphanCrow

I dunno...I think there is just some restructuring going on.

The "religion" of the Jehovah's Witnesses is being cut-off from the main money making schemes of the Watchtower Society.

The "money grabbing" is simply the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses desperately trying to make itself over into an acceptable mainstream charitable organization that must rely on donations in order to qualify for tax exemption. Many of the changes that we see happening with the religion are the result of tax laws changing.

Of course the JW religion is changing - but that is only camoflague - the beast is still alive and feeding. The WTS isn't the religion per se - they are the money machine. The religion is getting the boot from mama - they are being told to fly out of the nest.

The Watchtower Society will survive - it already does and it will. They have been busy splitting off their money makers into separate corporations for years and years now. And paying off their pimps - the JWs in various professions. All this financial activity is just shuffling in order to maximize profits and still fly under the radar as a tax exempt organization.

In the meantime....many wealthy JWs are lining their pockets with all the revenue generated for their busineers and careers by the doctrines of the JWs and the activities of the WTS. Catching the dollars as they drop from the sky while the robbers run and hide.

The problem that always faces totalitarian authority structures is that when they implode - which appears to be happening - is that the power vacuum that is left in its demise is almost always taken over with a even more despotic power base.

The Watchtower Society itself will emerge from the ashes with feathers singed, and maybe a new name at some point...and a whole piss pot full of money stashed off shore. The Watchtower Society is a whore and she has been prostituing herself for a long, long time. Her pimps grow fat and they will continue to sell her out to the highest bidder.

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The TOP 5 Most Dangerous Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses

by park ave boy in

first i want to say happy new year to everyone here including you lurkers!

i was able to get away with my whole family for xmas and new years up to maine away from everything.

i mean everything and it felt great.

OrphanCrow

parkaveboy: Thank you Orphancrow! Really, is that so? More than Jamestown each year? I would love to see the actual numbers because that is another piece of evidence for the AG to read and add to the list.

There is some discussion about numbers on this thread here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5460463630417920/document-blood-transfusion-deaths-please-help?page=2&size=10

But the reason I listed it as number 3 is because without the "you MUST obey the 7 fat bastards" then the blood transfusion doctrine would be null and void.

It is a bit of a chicken and egg conundrum isn't it? Without the draconian rules, the "must obey" is redundant.

As far as "dangerous teachings" go, the most dangerous teaching that is enforced by the "must obey" directive, is unquestionably the one that has cost the most needless deaths.

Hence, the blood doctrine. 70 years of suicidal behavior that has been called "religious belief". Supported and promoted with the WT brand of bullshit "science". Underneath it all, and covered up by all the multitude of problems that the WTS faces, the Jehovah's Witnesses are a blood cult. A death cult.

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The TOP 5 Most Dangerous Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses

by park ave boy in

first i want to say happy new year to everyone here including you lurkers!

i was able to get away with my whole family for xmas and new years up to maine away from everything.

i mean everything and it felt great.

OrphanCrow

It's a good list, Parkaveboy.

However, I would move the "blood doctrine" to the number one spot. The psuedo-scientific quack teaching about the benefits of suicide can be measured in real lives - tens of thousands of them, if not more.

The blood doctrine is what defines the Jehovah's Witnesses as a "death cult". More Jehovah's Witnesses die each and every year, from refusing life saving blood transfusions, than the number of people who died at Jonestown alone.

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Money Grab started in India

by cognitivedizzy in

jw
friends

i don't know how the fellow who made the resolution from stage to send 80% of the congregation funds to the indian branch as an outright donation made it with a straight face.

and all the sheeples nodded like they understood the shit he were spewing.

i'm so mad at this cult .

OrphanCrow

cognitivedizzy: Those blood suckers...

There you go. Now you are on to something.

India and their desperate need for bloodless procedures. Huge shortage of suitable or willing blood donors. Perfect climate for the JW bloodsucking blood management teams...

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Blood Cards on File with the Elders?

by EyesOpenHeartBroken in

i have a question for elders here or recent elders.

were the elders, in the last 10 years, given instruction to keep a copy of every publishers blood card on file at the kh?.

we moved to our current cong 6 years ago, and shortly after we moved in, the boe requested everyone update and give a copy of card to the kh.

OrphanCrow

I susept the variance in pressure for information collection and data racords on blood treatment is due to the proximity of "bloodless" clinics and if there are areas targeted for clinical trials with alternative drug treatments.

That's all.

Different actions for differents geographical locales.

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What did being a JW teach you?

by punkofnice in

these are some of the things the wbt$ 'taught' me:.

dishonesty is fine if it's to trick people into joining the cult.. if your spouse stops believeing, the best thing you can do is break up the family.. the laws of the governing body overrule any other laws...or else!.

my friends are conditional.. avoid loving people, they'll only let you down or get df'd.. unintelligent dumbos are better than intelligent ones if the dumbos are elders or above.. hate is better than love.. i am not good enough and god will probably enjoy killing me.. demons will appear in my room at night.. ignore practicallity if being practical or loving prevents the leaders getting money or praise.. god hates.

OrphanCrow

Being a JW taught me that I am a goat.

I am not a sheep.

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God Made Eve From Adam’s Penis, Not His Rib, Academic Claims

by OrphanCrow in

there are days that i drop to the ground and kiss the earth in gratitude that i was born a woman.

at least women didn't have anything to do with writing the bibble.

and women don't come up with this nonsense.

OrphanCrow

Data-dog: I'm sick and tired of your science-bashing posts!!! Simon should ban you from this forum!!!

Lol! I am sure Simon would like to at times.

Science bashing? Huh? Ain't the Bibble scientifically correct?

Hmmmm...must re-evaluate. *takes another sip....*

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DUMBO property and the secret of the Margaret Hotel

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i just received this letter from a former bethel worker who saw my post on the dumbo property plans of the watchtower.

don't tell me they aren't doing this dumbo project just the same as the margaret hotel and who knows how many others?

letter dated 12/18/03 from anonymous .

OrphanCrow

crazyguy: What happened to that hotel was it flipped later for luxury condos and sold off?

The site of the old Margaret Hotel is one of the Watchtower properties not yet put up for sale.

The Brooklyn Eagle has a three part series of articles on the properties that the WT still owns that are not on the chopping block...yet.

Part three lists the property in question.

Part One - Properties Jehovah's Witnesses Haven't Sold Yet.

Part Two

Part Three

* 97 Columbia Heights: A historic hotel where Betty Smith wrote “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.” A five-alarm fire on an Arctic-cold night. Fights with the neighbors over the height of the building that would rise from the ashes of the site.
The residential tower at 97 Columbia Heights has a dramatic back story, to say the least.
Originally, the Hotel Margaret stood there, an 1880s-vintage Romanesque Revival stunner built by coffee mogul John Arbuckle that was Brooklyn's tallest building for many years.
The conflagration that destroyed this Brooklyn Heights Historic District architectural jewel took place in February 1980. At that time, the building was being converted into co-op apartments by developer Bruce Eichner.
It was so cold that night that firefighters were covered in icicles by the time they quelled the blaze.
In spring 1986, after legal battles over his proposed project's height, Eichner began excavation for a new 11-story apartment building on the site on the corner of Orange Street. In November 1986, the Watchtower purchased the property from H-M Associates, whose managing general partner was Eichner, Finance Department records show.
The Watchtower's building has 135 residential units, Buildings Department records indicate.