Posts by OrphanCrow

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New WT pdf tells children to report. Irony?

by wifibandit in

pdf.

why won't watchtower tell abusers "i'm going to tell on you!

" and follow through with the proper authorities?

OrphanCrow

fiddler: It very tellingly doesn't specify who to tell. For a JW the 'who to tell' will be the parents (one of which may be the abuser) or an elder (who again may be the abuser). It doesn't say 'tell the police!'

I was thinking along much the same lines, Fiddler.

Firstly, parents rank up pretty high as being a child's abuser, themselves...yet the WT ignores that and instead tells the person(s) most likely to be the abuser to question the child!

Then, it is what is left out that is the most telling. They say nothing about "what signs to watch for that may point to your child being abused". You know, like - tips for parents - what to watch for. Behaviour that may signal the child is being victimized. Nothing like that...

And, where are the training manuals and such for those who are in authority telling them what to watch for and what to do if abuse is suspected? Nothing like that...just lift up the carpet edge and sweep those kids under it. And then drive a bus over them.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

umber: I think there is a general rule that has applied for decades here in Australia where any person covering up any crime, is committing a crime. I will check it out as this matter was raised in the RC by Justice McClellan

I believe you are right, umber. But, the mandatory reporting laws in Australia are not as broad as in Canada. The Canadian mandatory laws cover even suspected cases of child abuse - you aren't supposed to wait to see if a confirmed crime has been committed. And, the mandatory reporting laws cover all provinces in Canada, with some variations between each, whereas in Australia, some provinces don't have mandatory reporting in place.

A crime doesn't have to happen for it to be wrong to not report - just the suspicion of the crime is enough.

eldernewton: I can personally say that in a few cases known to me in Canada (BC, Alberta) that the society still stresses that its the family or victim that makes the decision to report to authorities.

Well, those WT lawyers might be getting a rude awakening soon...along with all the Canadian elders who listened to them for advice. And anyone else who was aware that there were child abuse allegations in the congregations and didn't report it. Legally, it is not up to the victim or family to report - it is anyone who has knowledge of it.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

macys: ...But knowing what I know and having seen what I have seen with my own eyes and experience it makes me so angry that more JDubs are not asking these questions and reporting these things!

I know...me too.

The JWs are so insular that they are ignorant of how the law applies to each and every one of them. ALL of the JWs here in Canada who suspect child abuse are accountable under our legal system for non-reporting. All of them.

Heh...a few years ago I did just that. I reported a suspected case of child abuse in a JW family (not sexual) and it was investigated by Child Welfare. Not sure of the outcome, but I was able to sleep after I reported it. I will never hesitate to report what I think is abhorrently wrong - the mistreatment of children.

introvert: He commented on how weird I was for not hitting the strip clubs, partying non stop nor having any fast money making schemes.

I have met several JW men that fit that description.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

Breathe deeply, Macy.

Breathe deep.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

JWgonebad: Of course you won't find this article on...jw...org

Nope...but you will find it on my facebook feed - public post, too. I hope my old friends and family look for me at times. You know, snooping around like they like to do once in a while.

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Is the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses really an inferior form of Christianity?

by nicolaou in

seems to be quite a few posters recently pulling down the beliefs of jw's as not biblical or truly christian.

maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, i really don't care.. in some important ways though mainstream christians often behave better than jehovah's witnesses; most don't practice shunning or impose lethal medical prohibitions on their members.

many are far more tolerant of the lgbt community and a few even make the awkward attempt to square the fact of evolution with their faith.. please note that i'm saying some, not all.. so i suppose it's fair to say that differing forms of christianity can be better or worse for individuals, families and the wider community.

OrphanCrow

FayeDunaway: If I was going to name a few things, I think it would be ability to find their way around a bible (a skill learned from their practice of matching up scriptures all over the bible that don't actually go together)

I used to think that too, Faye. And then, when I was in university, I took a class on the Old Testament. Pffft...the JWs are amateurs when it comes to knowing their way around the scriptures. The students in that class left me in the dust...and I thought I knew my way around those scriptures pretty good!

Ha - the JWs will never get out of the minor leagues in Biblical navigation. I have met many people over the years that can put JWs to shame on their knowledge of scriptural placement and such.

Nope...I think that JW bibble knowledge is just another one of those WT myths. They remind me of watching kids play T-ball on their way up to learning how to play baseball.

*to add - LisaRose, that was a great post

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

Dagney: Wonder if they have an RC like in Australia?

The possibility is here. Canada has the same legal framework as Australia and has held many Royal Commissions in the past.

If the noise is loud enough, the Canadian government may be persuaded that an inquiry is appropriate.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

BluesBrother: ....If they are co-operating ,have they turned the record of the J C over to the Police? Are the committee members going to testify to what was said at the meeting?

Well, the Canadian elders might be in hot water quite quickly for not reporting. Not only that, but the net sweeps wider here than in Australia.

In Canada, mandatory reporting applies to everybody, with professionals being held to a higher standard. But, regardless, everyone must report suspected abuse allegations. In Australia, where the JWs did not report, they are using the differing mandatory reporting laws from each province as an excuse, but they will not be able to do that in Canada. Under Canadian law, anybody - which would include ALL congregation members, elders or not - in the JW congregations who are aware of suspected child abuse, and didn't report it, could be held accountable.

From http://cwrp.ca/faqs

Do I need to report child abuse and neglect?
Yes. Everyone has a duty to report child abuse and neglect under Canadian child welfare laws. Professionals who work with children and youth have an added responsibility to report.
You are obliged to report child maltreatment if you know or suspect it is occurring. This is called the 'duty to report'. Every person in Canada has the duty to report known or suspected child maltreatment by law.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

Introvert: Offhand I know of at least three abuse cases that happened over the past couple years. One ended in death with the little brother purposely getting run over on an unlit portion of the highway. The whole things stinks big time.

??? Are these incidents that have been in the news at all? Publicized, or private?

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

OrphanCrow

Glad you can use this information, Introvert.

I have been wondering when the shit storm would hit Canada. This may pick up some momentum.

The potential stats are a bit alarming If you do a comparison between Canada and Australia - which would be pretty fair, considering the similarities in the two countries' structures and demographics. Canada and Australia have similar law systems and their ties to Britain are much the same. They are comparable in size, with Canada having the larger population. Canada has close to 36 million and Australia is almost 24 million.

When it comes to the JW demographics, Australia has 797 congregations and Canada has 1397: Australia has 66, 753 publishers and Canada boasts 114,123 publishers. (I took these numbers off Wiki...I don't like going to the JW website...).

Anyways, what I am getting at is that the potential for Canadian abuse cases is pretty high if you do the comparison. There are over 1000 unreported pedophiles within the JWs in Australia and it could be even more in Canada. The cultures of the countries themselves are too similar and so are the JWs for there not to be.

CBC has given coverage to the Australian inquiry and the story was picked up by the newspapers across the country. My dad read the article at the time and we discussed it. I told him that I was so, so happy that he left back in the early 70s before he became an elder. He was pretty quiet - it was a sobering thought for him.