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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

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  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  slimfatboy: Orphan forgot to actually mention it in the OP, but reading between the lines, I think the implicit point of the thread is to highlight books other than CofC and ISoCF

  You are right, sfb. CofC was a later book that I read, and to be honest, it was a good book but did not have the scope that Penton, for example, covered in his research.

  kate: Having an ex member that was on the GB is a great resource. Do any of these other book offer such valuable information?

  Yes. James Penton uses Ray's book as a source for some of his material and Ray is mentioned several times in his book. Penton's book is excellent for revealing "what exists behind the curtain".

  
  
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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  OrphanCrow

  Blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the JWs.

  I will start.

  I left the JWs way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.

  One of the first books I read was "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses" by Gary and Heather Botting. Canadian exJWs from Calagary. An excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today. With anyone, actually.

  And I read James Penton's book "Apocalypse Delayed" when it was hot off the press back in 1985. I haven't read his new editions. Penton's book was my bible for many years. I had a lot of respect for the book and for Mr. Penton. Still do.

  There were other books - the public library had some 'apostate' books. Schnell, I think? I read several more but just can't think of the names at the moment.
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  New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

  by TheTruthBR in

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  a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

  january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

  : clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

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  mephis: Lovebombing reinstatement video out soon then?

  Haha! I was thinking more along the lines of a Caleb video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSdRkYpSpnc
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  New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

  by TheTruthBR in

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  a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

  january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

  : clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

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  steve: Verfiication of the letter is needed. The letter cited a Watchtower from May 2016 - is that issue even out yet?

  Until verification received, we need to think in terms of this being a parody and not actual letter...

  This is the letter that is circulating on facebook. I have no idea if it is authentic.

  
  
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  Counsel from Bro Losch (GB Member) to the Elders about the NFL

  by James Jack in

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  while attending a week long training class for elders in patterson, bro losch gave the concluding talk about loyalty to the borg, which i was in awe of(i went more in detail in a recent post about a s.a.d.

  where losch was the speaker).

  at the end of his talk, here's what he said: .

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  An interesting thread on another forum, about JWs and football, posted by a teacher confronted with JW students who refuse to color pictures of football helmuts in school:

  Can a Jehovah's Witness color a Super Bowl helmet?
  
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  New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

  by TheTruthBR in

  1. jw
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  a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

  january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

  : clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

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  OrphanCrow

  juan:
  

  "Not long ago it was dictated in a study article it was inappropriate for couples to hug, hold hands and otherwise to grab-ass during song and prayer."

  Really? That's insane. Do you have a reference for this?
  

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/182453/new-light-dont-hold-hands-during-prayers?page=1&size=20
  
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  New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

  by TheTruthBR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

  january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

  : clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

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  OrphanCrow

  Geez...when is the BOE letter coming out that tells the JWs how many squares of toilet paper to use when wiping their asses?
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  When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

  by new boy in

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  this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

  yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

  besides we were never going to die anyway.

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  Oh...just thought of something...maybe this is it...

  Property held as a cemetery is tax exempt. Maybe the WTS needs bodies to keep their cemetery property tax free.
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  When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

  by new boy in

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  this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

  yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

  besides we were never going to die anyway.

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  cangie: Thank you once again, Orphan Crow...

  You are most welcome, cangie.

  I am still trying to figure out why the WTS would want the Bethelites' bodies. I can understand the no headstones thing - headstones cost money. But...why wouldn't Bethel want to release bodies to family instead of keeping them??? Wouldn't a burial mean that Bethel picks up the tab instead of the family? Isn't that somewhat out of character for the WTS?
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  When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

  yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

  besides we were never going to die anyway.

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  OrphanCrow

  For a brief history of Watchtower cemeteries

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.ca/2015/02/find-grave.html

  ...the Society had its own burial ground at the Rosemont United Cemeteries in Ross Township, Pittsburgh. Here CTR and a few Bethel family members and Pilgrims were buried, and their names inscribed on a pyramid monument...

  ...shortly after the headquarters moved from Pittsburgh to Brooklyn for the second time in 1919, this cemetery was to all intents and purposes abandoned...

  To replace the Pittsburgh plot, a new cemetery was created on Staten Island, New York. In 1922 the Society bought 24 acres of land in Woodrow Road, Staten Island. The area is sometimes known as Rossville and also Huguenot Park. The purpose was to build their own radio station WBBR which started broadcasting in early 1924. There was also some farming done on the land, in what was then very much a rural area.
  A new graveyard was established nearby in the same street, alongside an historic landmark, the Woodrow United Methodist Church.......This small burial plot was used until at least the late 1960s....
  The Woodrow Road graveyard was accessible to the general public. It was obviously the policy to have no grave markers. It is reported that today you can recognise the area belonging to the Society simply because it is the only section in the cemetery without headstones.

  
  In the 1960s the Society purchased two properties at Wallkill, Ulster County, about 100 miles north of Brooklyn, NY, totalling a reported 1200 hectares (around 3000 acres). These became known as Watchtower Farms, and extensive printing operations were transferred to this area from the early 1970s onwards. A new graveyard was created on this property that is known as the Watchtower Farms Cemetery. It is a private cemetery on private land and is therefore not accessible to the general public.