Posts by OrphanCrow

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How the Internet is Destroying Mormonism

by slimboyfat in

interesting video, shame it wasn't about jws.

http://youtu.be/-1bdbkjbzzy.

what a would be your top 5 shocking things you found out about jws on the internet?.

OrphanCrow

jookbeard: OrphanCrow;
was you shocked when the AJWRB group was formed? an anonymous secret group made up of elders who opposed the WTS blood ban policy,

I wasn't shocked that the AJWRB group was formed. Not at all. I was pleased. I just was surprised it hadn't happened sooner. The internet is what facillitated the group forming. It would have been difficult without the internet.

I wonder if you know the real reason the blood ban was implemented? the 2 sexual deviants who were to become the presidents of the WTS made a promise at the deathbed of the alcoholic, ego maniac bully because he had this strange idea?

I do not buy that as the real reason that the blood ban was put in place. Rutherford died in January, 1942 out in California. He spent most of his time out there in his later years - I have read that Knorr and Franz did not get along with him and that they didn't even arrange a proper funeral for him. They couldn't wait for him to croak and get out of the way and they did not attend to his deathbed. Rutherford did not want to pass the reins over to them, he had named Hayden Covington as his successor.

I do not see Knorr and Franz being bound by some promise to drunk Rutherford. If that was the case, then they would implented it before they did - the blood ban was put in place right on the heels of the end of WW2 - in 1945, following tactic approval of blood transfusions - a full 2 1/2 years after Rutherford's death.

Rutherford had nothing to do with the blood ban - that was Knorr's puppy.

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How the Internet is Destroying Mormonism

by slimboyfat in

interesting video, shame it wasn't about jws.

http://youtu.be/-1bdbkjbzzy.

what a would be your top 5 shocking things you found out about jws on the internet?.

OrphanCrow

girlnextdoor: Would like to research those bullet points more. Any direction would be greatly appreciated OC.

Jaydee posted a link to the Australian Blood Managment story that highlights Farmer and Hofmann's involvement.

It took me a while to find this next item. This information is no longer available on the SABM website, but, The Wayback Machine is wonderful. They have a cached copy of the information that confirms that the Watchtower Society was given the President's Award in 2002.

The SABM® President's Award is presented annually at SABM's Annual Meeting to candidates who have made a substantial contribution to the field of blood conservation, contributed to the public good in the area of safety of the blood supply or reduction of unnecessary transfusions, and have had a career that focused on blood safety.

I am working on a list of the JWs that I have discovered who are doctors, nurses, bloodless clinic managers, and textbook writers for the blood management industry. Sorry, it may take a while to put it all together in one spot.

In the meantime, here are some big names in blood management who are JWs:

Shannon Farmer; Richard Melseth; Alex Hofmann; Petra Seeber; Matthias Lucas; Sherri Ozawa; Sharon Vernon; Edward Blakeney...and more.

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How the Internet is Destroying Mormonism

by slimboyfat in

interesting video, shame it wasn't about jws.

http://youtu.be/-1bdbkjbzzy.

what a would be your top 5 shocking things you found out about jws on the internet?.

OrphanCrow

What a would be your top 5 shocking things you found out about JWs on the Internet?

At one time, Slimboy, I didn't think anything could really shock me about the JWs.

But, I was wrong.

I was shocked beyond belief when I discovered that it was JWs who were the founding members of the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management, an organization that sets the standard for blood management for everyone all over the world, not just the JWs.

I was shocked to find out that the Watchtower Society had won the President's Award for the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management the year it was established.

I was shocked to find out that Shannon Farmer and Axel Hofman, both JWs, were the bigwigs down in Australia pushing blood management for the whole country. That shocked me. It still does.

I was shocked to find out that the JWs were used for medical testing by the US Army.

I continue to be shocked whenever I turn up yet another JW who is involved in bloodless medicine.

I am no longer surprised...I am just in shock about it all.

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Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

OrphanCrow

To put it into perspective just how insignificant $368mill is.

Brooklyn's population is about 2.5 million.

That means that each person footed about $150 of the lost tax revenue from the Watchtower. And that is including all those who are not working.

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

OrphanCrow

Fisherman, at what point in time, during the JW judical process, would you consider it to be a "confessional"? What aspects (material facts) of that process would you call a "confessional"?

The minor boy and his mother approached the elders, not to "confess the boy's sins" but to reveal a crime that had been committed against the boy. That part of the process is obviously NOT a confession. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Priests/ministers/clergy are not given "confessional privilege" for information given to them outside of that confessional setting. Likewise, the JW elders cannot ask for "confessional privlege" on information gained outside of confession - when a child reports a crime, it cannot be termed a "confessional setting". In fact, many of the allegations that the elders "investigate" do not end in a confession by the accused at all. There is no way that a JC can be called "confessional".

In fact, it is the exact opposite of a confessional. In a confessional, it is the penitent (the accused in the case of the JWs) who comes willingly to the priest/clergy/minister for absolution. They don't come for confession because someone else accused them of something. Not at all.

If the WT has 'enjoyed' confessional privilege to this point, it is simply because they have got away with it, not because it was right.

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Garlic, bread, and vampires....

by Muddy Waters in

.... being a little facetious today.... :).

the february 2016 broadcast has got me thinking.

crosses are bad, they make jehovah sad, they are terrible, evil, frightening things to most jws.

OrphanCrow

And the GB wear gold bling instead of silver.

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

OrphanCrow

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

OrphanCrow

fisher: In my opinion if this definition has to go to go all the way up to the US Supreme Court for clarification, the JW version of confession will continue to enjoy immunity same as a Catholic priest or clergy.

heeheeheee...good luck with that

the JW version of confession

heeheehee hahaha!

The JWs do NOT rule the world. You do know that, right, fisherman?

The JWs cannot, and will not be allowed to, define the legal concept of "confession".

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

OrphanCrow

Fisherman - "And US High Courts will vindicate it."

I don't think so. That is wishful thinking. Clergy-penitent privilege already does not apply in several states when it concerns child abuse.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/clergymandated.pdf#page=2&view=Privileged Communications

This privilege, however, is not absolute. While clergypenitent privilege is frequently recognized within the reporting laws, it is typically interpreted narrowly in the context of child abuse or neglect. The circumstances under which it is allowed vary from State to State, and in some States it is denied altogether. For example, among the States that list clergy as mandated reporters, Guam, New Hampshire, and West Virginia deny the clergy-penitent privilege in cases of child abuse or neglect. Four of the States that enumerate “any person” as a mandated reporter (North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, and Texas) also deny clergy-penitent privilege in child abuse cases.

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

OrphanCrow

fisherman: but the law CANNOT tell JW they do not qualify when confidentiallity is a legal provision to religion.

The law CAN and the law DID.