Posts by OrphanCrow

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

OrphanCrow

Ah...

Okay...carry on.

:)

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It has always been a business: Miracle Wheat Investigation highlights WT Finances in 1911

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am still not done with the miracle wheat article... there's just so much information to process!

i already did the summary, and the new information that i have doesn't change my conclusion: the entire scandal happened because russell was very gullible and didn't check with government agencies to see if the wheat was legitimate or not.

he went into a business venture on which he knew nothing about.here's some interesting stats about the finances of the watchtower back in 1911:it received, from the sale of books and donations, $150,000.

OrphanCrow

Ilove: So their growth per year has been around 5.4% FOR 105 YEARS!

Well, not really.

The average inflation rate for the past 100 years has been about 3.22%.

That will eat up some of that 'growth'.

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

steve2: I do not get impression the Center is run by JWs. (I appreciate you have done your homework - so please don't view my conclusions as questioning your investigations in this regard - more like seeking clarification. Thanks.)

No problem...and I am not surprised. That is exactly what I am getting at when I make these posts that link Watchtower people (JW "professionals") with the bloodless treatment that is touted so highly in the news media. And as the preferred treatment within the pages of Watchtower literature.

The bloodless treatments, bloodless clinics, blood management...are ALL operated by Jehovah's Witnesses. Watchtower trained people.

When I first started looking at the "whats" and the "whys" and all of that in connection with "bloodless medicine" and all of its morphs etc....I thought that it meant something in the medical world not connected to the Watchtower Society.

The Watchtower Society's fingerprints are all over the bloodless world, from start to finish, and from bottom up, inside and out.

Ilove: OMFG.
That's all I can say.
OMFG.
I want to puke...

I apologize. I thought you were being deliberately obtuse. Sorry for being short.

Yes. I think you got it now.

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

IloveTTATT: I guess I didn't understand the point of your whole post then.

I guess you didn't. Let me spell it out for you.

The bloodless clinics in the States have been established by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The bloodless clinics are operated by Jehovah's Witnesses.

Bloodless surgery and blood management ARE the Jehovah's Witnesses. In other words...the WATCHTOWER IS bloodless medicine. Bloodless medicine IS the WATCHTOWER.

So...when you read all those news articles extolling the virtues of bloodless surgery and all that...saying how wonderful and how fantastic bloodless surgery and blood management is...always remember that you are reading Watchtower propaganda.

Bloodless medical clinics are owned, controlled, and operated by Watchtower drones.

So...what it is that I am saying...

...is that there is no such thing as "the doctors" and "the medical profession" existing separately when it comes to the JWs and bloodless clinics. The "medical profession" does not exist 'out there' and the JWs in opposition to it. If a JW chooses to utilize medical treatment from a "bloodless clinic", then they are choosing to be treated by the Watchtower itself.

There is no separation between "the medical profession" and the "JWs" when you are speaking of bloodless treatment. The Watchtower IS bloodless treatment. They are one and the very same f***ing thing.

And...I haven't even commented on the quality of care to be expected from people who really should be selling airline tickets instead of making life and death medical decisions for people. I don't think I should have to spell that one out, too, do I?

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

So... You're saying, essentially, that the hospital staff was incompetent, and that perhaps in a better hospital her outcome would have been better, but, on the other hand, it was mainly her fault because she chose that course.

Excuse me???

You got that from what I posted???

Huh?

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

OrphanCrow

Hey there Vidiot. I took some days off and when I returned...this story had popped up.

Well...well,well. This only took a bit of scratching on the surface before it started to bleed Jehovists.

Ilovettatt: I don't understand why they even got any money. Some people have commented that $100K is a "token" award... This will make a lot of doctors refuse to treat JW's. They followed the "no blood" instructions, and they get sued???
smiddy: The Medical Profession respects the wishes of the patient when treating her and she dies ,then the family sues the Medical Profession ? And they win ?
Their is something drastically wrong with the system when that happens.

There is a LOT going on beneath the surface with this story. A lot.

To start with, let's take a look at the hospital involved and the "doctors" who "followed instructions".

Let's peel the onion. Let's take a look at "the system" that was treating this woman. I agree - there is something drastically wrong with the system that was involved with her care.

Atlanta Medical Center.

Atlanta Medical Center is a hospital in Atlanta, Georgia operated by Tenet Healthcare. It has 460 beds and over 700 physicians, a Level I trauma center, a Level III neonatal unit, and supports air ambulance service via heliport.

Be sure to read the reviews of Atlanta Medical Center.

Atlanta Medical Center operates a Bloodless Medicine and Surgery Unit.

To ensure the best experience possible for every patient, Atlanta Medical Center provides a full-time program administrator to assist patients and their families throughout the consultation, admission and procedure process with:
Physician referral
Assistance with outpatient services
Scheduling
Family member accommodations
The program administrator, Brenda Depena-Gray, is intimately familiar with the religious issues involved in bloodless medicine. As program coordinator for Atlanta Medical Center’s Bloodless Medicine & Surgery program, her goal is to ensure that each individual’s decision to participate in a bloodless medicine procedure is both understood and respected. To facilitate this, she is personally engaged with the patient and his or her surgeon. Brenda’s personal interactions help healthcare professionals involved in the care of that patient to better understand the individual’s needs and expectations during treatment.

Brenda Depena Gray BS,BSN,RN

- worked for United Airlines from 1983 - 2011 (customer service and airport operation)

- in 2011, Brenda magically transformed herself from a customer service rep at an airport into ... a Registered Nurse who, in June 2010 (while still booking flights at the airport), became the Director of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery Program at the Atlanta Medical Center.

Brenda's Volunteer Experience & Causes:

- Pioneer - JW.org

Brenda claims the following as her education - (I am not sure when she fit all that in - if it was in between her airport experience and pioneeering....not sure how that worked out...)

Clayton State University
BSN, Registered Nursing, Nursing Administration, Nursing Research and Clinical Nursing
Howard University
Bachelor of Science (BS), Human Biology

So...that is who is the director of the Bloodless Unit at Atlanta Medical Center - a Jehovah Witness woman who somehow gained registered nursing education and experience in between booking flights at the airport and door knocking.

Let's take a look at Tenet Healthcare that operates Atlanta Medical Clinic.

Tenet Healthcare employs a special Blood Conservation Program Coordinator;

Hired to create, oversee, and market the Blood Conservation Program. Blood utilization was reduced and the patient population increased as a result of the program.

And...who is this special guy? the one who claims this on his professional profile? :

Accomplishments:
Managed Program at two hospital campuses
Developed Policies and Procedures
Created new patient forms
Wrote marketing brochures
Established Anemia Clinic
Facilitated contract with Jehovah's Witnesses Headquarters
Featured on Channel 10's Health Beat report

Edward Blakeney.

I have talked about this guy before. He came up the ranks of the bloodless cult through the Hospital Liaison Network.

He is the dude who "Created a database company specializing in improving patient outcomes and lowering blood utilization cost. Company was acquired by Haemonetics in 2007. Traveled extensively in US to meet with hospital administrators regarding better blood utilization..."

And that....is who controls the bloodless medicine unit at Atlanta Medical Center.

Watchtower trained people. The same Watchtower that told that woman to not take blood in the first place.

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Trey Bundey - "How child sex abusers get reinstated as Jehovah’s Witnesses" - Feb 17/16

by OrphanCrow in

how child sex abusers get reinstated as jehovah’s witnesses.

a jehovah’s witnesses elder in australia was put behind bars last week for sexually abusing minors, according to the west australian.. over seven years, david frank pople sexually assaulted two teenage boys he met through a congregation near perth.

one of his victims told elders about the abuse in 1997, but no one notified police until one of the victims filed a report in 2014. pople pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years in prison.. the details of pople’s story mirror those of other abuse cases involving jehovah’s witnesses around the world.

OrphanCrow

Oh dear....I see that this was already posted.

So sorry!!!

Go here for the other thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5661267922518016/news-flash-new-reveal-article

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Trey Bundey - "How child sex abusers get reinstated as Jehovah’s Witnesses" - Feb 17/16

by OrphanCrow in

how child sex abusers get reinstated as jehovah’s witnesses.

a jehovah’s witnesses elder in australia was put behind bars last week for sexually abusing minors, according to the west australian.. over seven years, david frank pople sexually assaulted two teenage boys he met through a congregation near perth.

one of his victims told elders about the abuse in 1997, but no one notified police until one of the victims filed a report in 2014. pople pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years in prison.. the details of pople’s story mirror those of other abuse cases involving jehovah’s witnesses around the world.

OrphanCrow

How child sex abusers get reinstated as Jehovah’s Witnesses

A Jehovah’s Witnesses elder in Australia was put behind bars last week for sexually abusing minors, according to The West Australian.
Over seven years, David Frank Pople sexually assaulted two teenage boys he met through a congregation near Perth. One of his victims told elders about the abuse in 1997, but no one notified police until one of the victims filed a report in 2014. Pople pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years in prison.
The details of Pople’s story mirror those of other abuse cases involving Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world. Elders failed to report child sexual abuse to secular authorities. The perpetrator was kicked out of the organization, only to be reinstated later.
Moreover, the story fits a pattern of Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders ejecting members who abuse children, not for the abuse, but for failing to show adequate repentance.

Full article here:

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/

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Are Derek Ohares Protests examples of Civil Disobedience?

by Luther bertrand in

below is an article detail where civil disobedience was used as a tactic and ordinances were broken in order to effect change: are derek ohares tactics similar?.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/civil-disobedience-sanchez-gordillo.

OrphanCrow

No.

Not even close.

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Protest for Mandatory Reporting?

by Luther bertrand in

on another thread, i have been having a discussion about protests in connection with watchtower policy.

one of the biggest and more re-occuring rebuttals to protesting at kingdom halls and assemblies is that it does two things: 1. it re-enforces the apostate "mentally diseased" narrative heaped on the xjw community by the gb 2. it causes people to withdraw and get closer to the borg.. what if we as a group took the protest to city halls and government authorities to raise awareness of the need for mandatory reporting laws, rather than protesting @jw events?

hell even geoffry jackson, when he gave his testimony at the arc, agreed that it would be "helpful".

OrphanCrow

Luther, I am a supporter of activist activity and I do think your idea of taking protest "to the streets" could be effective.

However, I also believe in non-violent protest and activities that are designed to get media attention. Because, when it comes down to it, that is what performative protest aims to do - raise awareness. And media coverage is critical to ensure that the activism is effective.

Your passion is to be admired and you need a focus to be effective. A simple act that is repetitive and rational could draw attention.

If it is mandatory reporting laws that you want to change, then I would suggest that the venue for performing your activist actions could be at the court houses where sex abuse cases are being heard.

Example: protesters/activists dressed in some unique way - maybe in simple black or white clothing or ?? - and all wearing gags over their mouths. And maybe some accompanying signage and/or simple actions. Something that would look good in a photograph or on a TV screen. Peaceful and with all the city bylaws adhered to (permits,etc). And, in a public space - not inside the courthouse but rather in the spaces surrounding the courtroom.

Good activism is rational and planned and does not include violence or uncontrolled behaviour.

And yes, I think your idea of targeting secular institutions with your message could be effective. If it is planned carefully and legally. And especially if you target events and places that attract media attention. Rationality and coolness of head will get your message across.