Posts by OrphanCrow

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The Watchtower's Medical Bible - the HLC handbook

by rebel8 in

posting this pm at the request of orphan crow:.

from a medical virtual library in spain:

"fernando martinez guerrero, the liaison committee hospitals of jehovah's witnesses , has made the library a collection of abstracts of scientific articles related to blood conservation techniques and perioperative ( blood conservation techniques and perioperative planning ).

OrphanCrow

betterdaze: The HLCs appear to be the foot soldiers of SABM. Both demand further scrutiny.

Yes, they do.

The JWs make up a tiny percentage of the population (less that .1% ?) and yet they are heavily represented within the SABM and their affiliates. Back in 2001, several HLC fellows, along with like minded medical professionals, made up the core group of founding members of SABM - which represents a huge disproportionate number of people who believe that blood transfusions are a huge no-no. And now...those same people - comprised of a large number of JWs - make the "guidelines for blood management" for EVERYBODY in the world.

And...it is a Jehovah's Witness doctor - Dr. Petra Seeber from Germany - who has co-authored the seminal textbook for blood management professionals to be educated with. Along with another member of SABM - Aryeh Shander.

Basics of Blood Management, Second edition

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JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

by Gorbatchov in

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various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

OrphanCrow

Doubtfully Yours: Where is the freedom of speech and freedom of religion?
It's for JW children only. I cannot think of any other tactful way to convey our religious belief that homosexuality, although it's viewed as good/normal/acceptable in many of today's societies, the God of the Bible does not approve. End of story.
DY

No, it is not the end of the story...it is the beginning of the story.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion ends at the point that it harms other people.

As far as how to tactfully teach intolerance and hate of other groups to children, regardless of whether or not those beliefs originate in a hate-filled book that some people think is written by God himself, that really is a conundrum, isn't it? Even making vanilla cartoons directed to children doesn't seem to pass the human rights test, does it?

And here is the ultimate irony about "freedom of speech/religion"...it was the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves who played a huge role in striking down Prop 8 back in 2010 when California tried to outlaw same-sex marriage.

How Jehovah's Witnesses helped kill Prop 8

Oddly, a TV ad that aired during that time has a striking similarity to the anti-gay JW video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgjcgqFYP4

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Hearts going out to those in the Fort Mac area

by Dagney in

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a few posters on here live in fort mcmurray, canada where there is a devastating fire.

one at least has lost her home and beloved dog.

thinking of you all.

OrphanCrow

Catastrophic.

And frightening. It is a long way from being over...the fire is getting worse with no rain in sight.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/situation-remains-volatile-residents-first-responders-fort-mcmurray-100014288.html

"But let me be clear: air tankers are not going to stop this fire.
"It (the fire) is going to continue to push through these dry conditions until we actually get some significant rain."
The fire, which had been menacing Fort McMurray since the weekend, rode a rapid shift in winds Tuesday afternoon to cut through the city on an east-west axis, cutting the main road and sending 80,000 residents fleeing in polar opposite directions under a mandatory evacuation order.
Aided by high winds, scorching heat and low humidity, the fire grew from 75 square kilometres Tuesday to 100 square kilometres on Wednesday, but by Thursday it was almost nine times that — at 850 square kilometres.
The fire remained wrapped around the west and southern edges of the city. If the city was the face of a clock, the fire surrounded it from the number four to 11.

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The Watchtower's Medical Bible - the HLC handbook

by rebel8 in

posting this pm at the request of orphan crow:.

from a medical virtual library in spain:

"fernando martinez guerrero, the liaison committee hospitals of jehovah's witnesses , has made the library a collection of abstracts of scientific articles related to blood conservation techniques and perioperative ( blood conservation techniques and perioperative planning ).

OrphanCrow

Thank you for posting this Rebel...I have missed you too, Millie!

I am just testing...maybe I can reply to posts even though my attempts to make new posts have failed.

Listener: There should be no reason why the current version is not on their website. This is a life and death issue and this information should not be restricted to a select few. Shame on them.

The Watchtower has been publishing volumes of literature that promote "alternatives to blood transfusions" for decades now. They have distributed these volumes to hospitals, doctors and universities since back in the 70s.

As far as a "current version" goes, it would not surprise me if the WT no longer produces this particular "bible" of medical advice.

They don't have to anymore since the HLC big shots formed alliances with doctors and others to form the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management. The SABM produces the 'guidelines for blood management'. And not just for the JWs...those guidelines affect the whole world's blood supply now.

*hoping this will post!

...ha! it worked...

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CRA screwup for WT Canada?

by berrygerry in

okay, they've posted their 2015 return - i am very confused.. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/t3010form23-eng.action?b=119288918rr0001&fpe=2015-08-31&n=watch+tower+bible+and+tract+society+of+canada+%2f+la+tour+de+garde+soci%c3%a9t%c3%a9+de+bibles+et+de+tracts+du+canada&r=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cra-arc.gc.ca%3a80%2febci%2fhaip%2fsrch%2fbasicsearchresult-eng.action%3fk%3dwatch%2btower%26amp%3bs%3dregistered%26amp%3bp%3d1%26amp%3bb%3dtrue.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/311690001/canada-branch-finances-whats-going-on?.

OrphanCrow

Canada Revenue has posted the correct tax return for the Canadian Watchtower.

2015 Registered charity information return for Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada

Assets: $79,586,279

Liabilities: $56,591,003

Revenue: $83,321,797

Expenditures: $94,016,825

A Troubling Culture: JW Group Think vs. Individual Critical Thinking

by MicaSmith in

i had no idea that the resistance, governance, and duplicity i am experiencing as a jehovah witness is actually part of a bigger behavioral issue that permeates the entire jehovah witness culture.. i was troubled by the fact that many persons who have been crushed by the unfair practices of jw leadership described themselves as former members of the jw cult, and, or, apostates.

the latter bothered me to a greater degree because i felt the word apostate has been overused by jw's leadership and members.

anyone who disagrees with anything the governing body does or says is assigned the label an apostate.

OrphanCrow

Wow, Mica...I have to applaud you.

I have read your other posts, and for someone who has gone through the hell you have, and for being "out" (sort of...) for only a year, you really have your shit together.

Well done, my girl!!! Very very well done.

Could you share what you have done on your path to recovery? It seems so miraculous that it must be worth sharing!

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Blood Transfusion and Eating

by dugout in

i get highly irritated when this subject comes up.

this idiot gave a talk in my hall recently and said that transfusion of blood and eating blood was the same thing.

my wife accepts this reasoning.

OrphanCrow

Cold Steel: Oh, you're kidding. Just because we don't eat blood, the dog's not supposed to eat it, either?? What about your pet vampire bats? Can They eat it? And gardens? Those are some tough rules!
Talesin: I did not know that. : P

Yeah...you need to read your Watchtowers more often.

Watchtower '81 10/15 p. 31

"Consider, for instance, the use of blood as fertilizer. When an Israelite hunter poured an animal’s blood out on the ground it was not in order to fertilize the soil. He was pouring it on the earth out of respect for blood’s sacredness. So, would a Christian with a similar appreciation of the significance of blood deliberately collect it from slaughtered animals so that he could use it as fertilizer? Hardly, for such commercialization of blood would not be in accord with deep respect for the life-representing value of blood."

Now, that is nuts. "Loopy" thinking - they must have been drinking blood when they came up with that one.

*oh...and by the way, Cold Steel, blood transfusions are banned for pets too. If a dog is unlucky enough to belong to JWs, their fate is sealed. Jehovah wants them to die too if they need blood. reference: "Questions From the Readers," Watchtower, February 15 (1964), p. 127

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Funny things to not do at the Memorial

by rebel8 in

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pull out a can of cheese whiz, top the bread with it, and take a nibble.. .

say really loud...."oh, wow!

jesus' body is really tasty this year!".

OrphanCrow

Eat two cans of beans for lunch. You should be ready to pass some smelly ones by the time the memorial service starts.

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Article: "JWs door to door pamphlets are actually alright." Journalist's mistakes corrected in Comments by XJWs. Read his reaction.

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://www.the-newshub.com/general/jehovahs-witness-door-to-door-pamphlets-are-actually-alright#comment-section.

jehovah's witness door to door pamphlets are actually alright.

and their religion isn't that bad either.

OrphanCrow

Simon: Really? Someone knocks on your door once every year or so and that is the "bane of most people's existence"?

Well...in some people's lives, yes, it is the bane of their existence. That is why the JWs have ended up in court on many occasions for their incessant door knocking. If the JWs weren't the bane of these people's existence, I doubt that they would have bothered to take it to court.

The author probably shouldn't have inserted the word "most" into his sentence but regardless, that slip doesn't negate the rest of his article and the main thrust of it.

"Most" people expect others to respect their privacy and the JWs violate that.

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Blood Transfusion and Eating

by dugout in

i get highly irritated when this subject comes up.

this idiot gave a talk in my hall recently and said that transfusion of blood and eating blood was the same thing.

my wife accepts this reasoning.

OrphanCrow

talesin: OC, remember "It's a Shopsy!"?

No, I am not familiar with "It's a Shopsy!". Our approved company name to buy wieners from was "Fuhrman's". They were way more expensive than regular hot dog wieners and we didn't buy them often. You could tell if a JW family had money because they would have a case of Fuhrman wieners in their deep freeze!