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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

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  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  pssst...vidiot...I don't think I said that. Baldeagle did.

  It is easy to get us birds mixed up...we all look the same to you, don't we? lol!
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  stuckinarut: As kairos perfectly said, THIS is why the "police" in riot gear were eagerly hunting down the "witnesses" in the bunker video!

  I totally agree.

  The purpose of the bunker video is to prepare JWs for the "authorities" rounding up the pedophiles on The List. The JWs will think they are being persecuted because they are JWs but the real reason the police will be coming is to arrest the elders who covered up the criminal rape of children.

  Great Tribulation indeed.
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  problemaddict: I would like to correct something. WT doesn't only use its own lawyers. I know one of the lawyers for an outside firm that handles their cases (at there internal staffs direction). His words......."they are a great client. they pay their bills on time, and they are always in trouble."

  That makes sense. After watching the performance of Watchtower lawyers at the Royal Commission, I totally understand why the WT would hire outside lawyers.
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  zoos: What kind of teeth does this San Diego court have to MAKE Watchtower pay the bill?
  If it doesn't have the authority to MAKE Watchtower hand over the document (well, it hasn't been able to thus far),.... what would be the next step for this court?

  I don't know how it works in the San Diego court system...but in my country it is a simple matter for a court to make a judgement against someone who owes money. Once the judgement has been made, bank accounts and property can be seized to settle the debt.
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  Were leading characters in the history of Judeao-Christianity suffering from psychotic symptoms?

  by fulltimestudent in

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  i don't think i've seen any reference to this academic study on this site.

  the analysis in question was published in a serious academic journal, the journal of neuropsychiatry and clinical neurosciences, in 2012, with the title, the role of psychotic disorders in religious history considered.. the authors were evan d. murray, m.d., giles g cunningham, m.d.

  ph.d, and bruce h.price,m.d.. it was published online october 01, 2012, reference link: http://dx.doi.org/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.11090214.

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  fts: I've read the full article via my university library, if the initial summary appeals to you, you'd probably need the services of a good library to access the full journal article. By the terms of my access, I can't reproduce the full article.

  The article can be accessed at http://sci-hub.bz/

  I read some of the article. I think the article has some issues. Primarily, the authors of the article approach the characters in the Bible as the subject of inquiry when it would be more accurate to approach the study from the position that the authors of the Bible, rather than the characters themselves, are the ones who are revealed in the characters written about.

  It is problematic to study another culture using the measurement tools of the observing culture. The results are ethnocentric and biased.
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  Germany in charge of all treasury for Europe

  by sp74bb in

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  according to our sources, germany bethel will take in charge all treasuries for all europe starting sept 1st.. each bethel will deliver the funds as a donation to german legal entity.. gold ages for ibsa and other entities in eu are over :).

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  The WTS has been preparing for this for some time now.

  In 2014, the UK branch transferred in excess of 16 million pounds to the German branch, up from less than one million in 2013...
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

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  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  jwundubbed: To be fair most newspapers and other companies that use printing presses are finding it far too expensive to actually use printing presses. Many printing press companies in the US have closed down and have been closing down for the past 10 years or so.

  To be fair...the WTS has always been just a business- never really a religion - they only say they are "not part of this world". What a myth.
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  List of "pagan" things JW's allow

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what i'm looking for specifically is things that are "pagan" in the sense they predate christianity (or i guess judiasm to cover the ole mosaic code), that jw's allow or do.

  the ones that come to mind are below.. rings - rings seem to originate in egypt.

  for wedding ceremonies it became a symbol of "ownership" in rome.. pinatas - looks like possibly it originated in china as a part of the new year and a request for luck, and catholics later turned it into a beating of temptation type thing.. anything else?.

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  The JW "anointed" partake in a ceremony that has its roots in pagan practice: the partaking of bread and wine symbolizing flesh and blood is based on the actual practice in ancient times of eating the flesh and blood of human sacrifice.
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  Did others experience this on the ministry or among JWs generally?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes it's hard to know if our own experience of jws was typical and what features were peculiar to our own area or the individual jws we knew personally.

  i was wondering if others experienced this among jws:.

  a few times on the ministry, when we were working wealthy areas with large houses, some brothers and sisters would make the comment that they look forward to taking ownership of one of these big houses after armageddon, when the worldly people have vacated them.

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  Fantasizing about their future home in paradise is a common JW preoccupation:

  http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25896-your-future-home/
  
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  Anti-religion T-Shirt idea

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  i want a t-shirt.

  something that says "religion is crap, i don't care which one".. i was thinking of adapting the "coexist" one to say "toxic" instead which is great because it removes 'science' but includes all the major world religions.. anyone else have any ideas?.

  also a tag-line ... "whatever god you worship, he's a weirdigan".

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  Simon: I want a T-Shirt. Something that says "Religion is crap, I don't care which one".
  I was thinking of adapting the "Coexist" one to say "Toxic" instead which is great because it removes 'science' but includes all the major world religions.
  Anyone else have any ideas?

  You can order one in kids' sizes:

  http://www.cafepress.ca/mf/70783883/religion-is-toxic_tshirt?productId=691530732

  
  

  Lots more anti-religious tshirts here (kids sizes...must be adult ones around somewhere...):

  http://www.cafepress.ca/+anti-religion+kids-clothing
  

  I like this one: