Posts by OrphanCrow

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

justfine: Redpill- I don't think I can answer OC questions any better than I have. You have to be present and it requires touch. I think that alone makes it so she couldn't heal someone without their knowledge because their presence is required.

Thx...your reply is just fine :)

The way you describe this interaction is such that the presence of belief is there, even if the patient says they don't believe and the healer says it isn't necessary. The simple act of a person approaching someone else for help implies that even if that person who is suffering doesn't believe in the method the healer is trying, they want to believe it will work. They want to be healed. They don't go to healers just to waste their time...they want healing to work. They desire healing

So, saying that "belief" isn't necessary is really a dodge of the issue - the person being treated desires results. The motivation to visit the healer, and submit to them trying to heal you, is a desire to believe

The healing hands incidents that are reported always have a common theme - the one being healed is aware that the potential is there. A person doesn't receive that gift anonymously and without awareness (and I am not going to get into the dog story at all... that is a whole other ball of wax)

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

OrphanCrow

Dagney, a couple of little pieces of trivia concerning stem cells and such...

Stem cell technology/biotechnology is one of the riskiest and most volatile markets to invest in (see The Golden Cell by Karen Van Kampen).

Bloodless surgery was the field of biotechnology that profited the most after the AIDS epidemic in the 80s/90s (see Blood: An Epic History of Medicine and Commerce by Douglas Starr).

Bloodless surgery owes its existence to private investors (pg 235, The Red Market by Scott Carney) :

Take the demand for blood. While stocks of blood in the first half of the last century meant surgeons could develop vastly improved surgical techniques, certain religious groups - most notably the Jehovah's Witnesses - were opposed to any sort of blood transfusion. Over the years the complete lack of demand led to private investment and eventually to great strides forward in the field of bloodless surgeries.

It sure would be interesting to know who those "private investors" were. Whoever they were/are, they sure would have a vested interest in keeping the blood ban alive and well.

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Russia's Supreme Court shuts down Church of Scientology

by OrphanCrow in

russian church welcomes shutdown of "moscow church of scientology".

moscow, july 1, interfax - the russian orthodox church has welcomed a ruling by the russian supreme court which yesterday upheld the legality of a shutdown of the "church of scientology of moscow".

"the upholding by the supreme court of the legality of the shutdown of the so-called church of scientology is seen as an important precedent demonstrating the state's determination not to recognize as religious those organizations that use people's religious feeling for malign purposes, " russian orthodox church spokesman vakhtang kipshidze told interfax-religion.the ruling in the scientologists' case is not a breach of the religious freedom since "it was proved in court that the very activity of this organization is an affront to human freedom as such," kipshidze said.the russian orthodox church regularly comes into contact with people whose membership in totalitarian sects left them deeply wounded spiritually and mentally, ruined their lives and happiness, the spokesman said.

OrphanCrow

Russian Church welcomes shutdown of "Moscow church of scientology"

Moscow, July 1, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church has welcomed a ruling by the Russian Supreme Court which yesterday upheld the legality of a shutdown of the "Church of Scientology of Moscow".
"The upholding by the Supreme Court of the legality of the shutdown of the so-called Church of Scientology is seen as an important precedent demonstrating the state's determination not to recognize as religious those organizations that use people's religious feeling for malign purposes, " Russian Orthodox Church spokesman Vakhtang Kipshidze told Interfax-Religion.
The ruling in the scientologists' case is not a breach of the religious freedom since "it was proved in court that the very activity of this organization is an affront to human freedom as such," Kipshidze said.
The Russian Orthodox Church regularly comes into contact with people whose membership in totalitarian sects left them deeply wounded spiritually and mentally, ruined their lives and happiness, the spokesman said. "This is why we see the decision against scientology as one that is directed at protecting the freedom and dignity of Russian citizens," Kipshidze said.
On June 29 the Russian Supreme Court issued a definitive ruling upholding the shutdown of the "Church of Scientology of Moscow" for incompliance with the requirements for a religious organization.
The lower court held that the activity of the religious organization was rather of a social and for-profit nature, which is inconsistent with the objectives of a religious organization. "Meanwhile, the organization receives unjustified tax preferences from the state," according to the case files.

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Contempt of court, case in San Diego county really disgusts me!

by Crazyguy in

this case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.

this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!

this case shows thier evil plain and simple.

OrphanCrow

Onager: Does anyone have links to media coverage or court reports of this?

http://dumaslawgroup.com/2016/06/28/jehovahs-witnesses-face-sanctions-withholding-documents-sex-abuse-case/

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

justfine: The lady that I see says it doesn't matter if you believe her or not it works anyway.

So, does that mean she can heal anybody, even if they don't know she is doing it? If her healing does not require the belief of the person, what does it require? Touch? Could she touch someone who doesn't know she is healing them and have the same results?

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

Andres: Already studies are suggesting that our gut is a 'second brain'....sending many signals to our brains, and likely being a main source of emotions.

Our 'guts' aren't really a second brain at all. Gut reactions are the language of the right side of our brains - the side that has no language other than physical responses.

Our brain operates on two hemispheres and it is the left side of our brains that is responsible for language production. The right side of our brains has no language ability - it can only trigger physical reactions in response to pattern recognition. When we have that intuition that seems to come from our gut, it is really only the ride side of our brains trying to communicate that it has recognized something that we need to be aware of.

So, our guts don't have much to do with emotion - they are just the receptors of right brain communication. Unfortunately, the left side of the brain is a bit arrogant - it has been told, by the culture that has influenced its development, that it is the best, brightest, and most accurate. So...we usually ignore those gut feelings (right brain commmunication) or attribute them to the occult or some other easily put down phenomena like mental illness etc

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

OrphanCrow

darkspliver: Just because the correct ethical permissions were not obtained in this case, doesn't invalidate the results - ie it doesn't mean the study is wrong, and the retraction seems clear on that, there is no claim that the results are wrong?

That is a moot point. The study did not have approval to be conducted. End of story. Results are irrelevant - it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

If a person still wanted to make such a case, and claim validity of results, it would undermine all scientific studies that require consent to proceed and it would take us right back to Nazi Germany. The Nuremberg Code was put in place for a reason

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpilltwice: If it's only a matter of self-deceit, then why can't we all "self-deceit" ourselves free of pain? Just manipulate the right emotions and voila?

We can :)

To a point...there is a point that the pain threshold becomes too high. And when there is a 'real' physical problem, it is far more difficult to deal with pain

What's the physical and psychological difference between the ones who have the "gift" and who don't?

I think it is important to remember that the "gift" only works if the recipient of that "gift" accepts it. That gift is ineffective without a willing participant to receive it

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

OrphanCrow

When it comes to discussing the JWs and stem cells, it is interesting to note that the technology that is used by the bloodless surgery crowd is the same technology that was developed in response to the discovery of stem cells.

Stem cells were discovered in the late 60s (yay Canada!) and the Haemonetics cell saver came onto the market right on the heels of that discovery. The original cell saver was just that - a cell saver for harvesting stem cells. That same technology was discovered to be handy for JWs undergoing surgery...and it was developed into what we now know as bloodless surgery.

The two fields of medical inquiry are intimately related - bloodless surgery and stem cell harvesting came about from the same technology

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

OrphanCrow

Dagney: Thank you OrphanCrow!
I can see that within the system this treatment can be used when certain criteria are met. That is really good to know.

You are most welcome, Dagney.

About that "certain criteria"...it appears like that criteria is pretty flexible and is often dependent upon (eh...almost always) what treatments are available in the area as well as how financially viable it would be to move the patient to a hospital that offers an alternative treatment.

If you look at the third study in the list I posted, you will see these words: "polymerized human hemoglobin (pyridoxylated)". What that substance is is Polyheme - an artificial blood product derived from human blood cells. The use of this product would have been arranged by the Hospital Liaison Committee.

This is the product that the WTS later said was unacceptable...the WTS had their sights set on a different product - Hemopure.

"Acceptable treatment" is not a consistent concept within the WT doctrine