Sorry, Steve - I got it backwards...or upside down, or something :)
OrphanCrow
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Expanding number of DC/RC's
by DwainBowman inaccording to my elder in law, by next year the number of dc/rc's will increase by 143. the size of conventions will get smaller.
the elder in law says the goal is to make them all have around 2,000 or so at each.
they are going to make more manuals detailing each job and it's responsibilities.
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I have a favor to ask. I need to find a statement that was in one of the magazines, but I can't find it now. Can you help?
by AndersonsInfo ini have a favor to ask.
i need some information found in a watchtower that i can't seem to find in my library.
today, the watchtower teaches that the governing body is the faithful slave.
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somebody: ...Jesus further said that his followers would not be left in doubt and darkness
Geez, all a person has to do is read this thread and know that the WTS has *beeped* that one up big time
Lol!
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Why isn't the Boston Globe doing a better job?
by Londo111 inhttps://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/north/2016/06/29/who-are-jehovah-witnesses-who-live-among/z39a6dvdcp5lvufo7y7ozo/story.html.
why isn't the boston globe doing a better job covering this group?.
after all, the movie spotlight won an oscar about this paper and their groundbreaking journalism into the catholic church covering child abuse.
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And some more about the numbers you posted, Mad Irishman.
You say that the RCC has 51,000 priests who offended. Well, compare that to the JWs who, it is claimed, have a list of pedophiles that they keep secret at the WTS headquarters. And then do the math.
51,000 priests out of a 1.2 billion membership
20,000+ JW pedophiles out of an 8 million membership
And we have no idea how many victims there are in the JW population.
It looks to me that the problem is really magnified in that little isolated cult of the JWs. Really magnified.
Another difference: the Catholic faith does not restrict their parishioners from reporting child abuse to the authorities. They are not stopped from doing so. The WTS says that parents can report...but they don't say they should report. And we also know that taking another congregation member to court is highly frowned on in the JWs. The WTS doesn't like it
On a related note, the WTS could so easily fix the reporting problem. So easily - they just have to tell their congregations that child abuse is a crime and to encourage all parents and others to first report to police and then go to the elders for support and counselling. So easy. You know...the way everybody else does it...police first, church second. The elders should be there for backup - not first line reporting. The JWs themselves have to step up to the plate and bypass the elder system by going to the police first
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Another media fluff piece - Ontario convention
by OrphanCrow inthe wts is sure putting out a lot of counter media pieces this summer.
fluff pieces.
i have read several about the jws wonderful volunteer cleaning at several venues and blah, blah blah.... here is one from the northern ontario convention in sault ste.
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OrphanCrow
The WTS is sure putting out a LOT of counter media pieces this summer. Fluff pieces. I have read several about the JWs wonderful volunteer cleaning at several venues and blah, blah blah...
Here is one from the Northern Ontario convention in Sault Ste. Marie:
2300 Jehovah's Witnesses and one with an incredible gift (13 photos)
For the first time in over 20 years the Northern Ontario Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses was held in the Sault this weekend and a couple of special gift-givers were in attendance.
Colleen Cyrenne says her 24 year-old son Jacques Vaillancourt has been able to accomplish amazing things thanks to being involved in the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The mother and son came up from Sheguiandah on Manitoulin Island this weekend to gather with around 2300 other religious followers at the Essar Centre for the 2016 Northern Ontario Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
36 congregations from as far west as Thunder Bay and as east as North Bay came to attend the regions biggest annual gathering of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It was the first time in over twenty years the conference was held in Sault Ste. Marie.
Cyrenne described her son as being severely autistic but that the structure of their religious faith - going to conventions, studying the bible, doing 70 hours of faith work a month, etc. - has allowed him to excel in many ways.
Autism, or Autism Spectrum Disorder, is a developmental disorder with a set of symptoms that hurt the individual’s ability to function socially, at school or work, or other areas of life.
How profoundly that individual is affected by those symptoms dictates how severe the disorder is in that individual.
At the weekend convention, Vaillancourt handed out 225 cut-out, hand-drawn pictures of “good-example Bible figures” and his mother handed out hundreds of fabric and plastic flowers attached to clips, so many she lost count.
The figures Vaillancourt drew are meant to help remind people of the many good teachings in the bible and Cyrenne's flowers are a loving gift.
“I just make them until I can’t make them anymore,” said Cyrenne, who has been doing it for so many years she doesn’t know how long.The young man, whose disorder is obvious through conversation, goes door-to-door, often on his own, spreading the religion’s message and even conducts bible study groups with young children.Read rest of article at link...
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I have a favor to ask. I need to find a statement that was in one of the magazines, but I can't find it now. Can you help?
by AndersonsInfo ini have a favor to ask.
i need some information found in a watchtower that i can't seem to find in my library.
today, the watchtower teaches that the governing body is the faithful slave.
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OrphanCrow
sparky: YOUR WORD IS TRUTH
Is the Pope Gods Intermediary?
"There is such a governing body today, even as Jesus foretold, a "faithful and discreet slave", whom he has set over all his belongings." pg.28 final paragraph
AWAKE February 8, 1965 page 27-28Yes. I remember that teaching.
I was always under the impression that the GB were declared the faithful and discrete slave back in the 60s. Good find
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I have a favor to ask. I need to find a statement that was in one of the magazines, but I can't find it now. Can you help?
by AndersonsInfo ini have a favor to ask.
i need some information found in a watchtower that i can't seem to find in my library.
today, the watchtower teaches that the governing body is the faithful slave.
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OrphanCrow
VI: And Geoffrey Jackson told the ARC that it would be presumptuous of them to claim they're God's channel of communication.
I remember that exchange as Jackson saying "that it would be presumptuous of them to claim they're God's only channel of communication"
He didn't deny it..he denied being the sole channel - which is what they really claim
introvert: Also makes me ill in a fashion that's hard to describe, like when you meet with and have to interact with patients from the psych. ward.
Me too. I have the same reaction. It is because the words and method of writing that the WTS uses are a "word salad" - they don't really make logical sense and reading the WT words is like listening to a schizophrenic ramble on and try to make an argument. You get lost in the process. Your brain becomes numb
I avoided reading their literature for years. It screws with a person's head trying to follow the maze they weave
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steve2: I'm behind the ball on this thread, so forgive me for asking: Why is mention made of someone in the writing dept composing this song when it appears inspired by what a householder observed? Or have I misunderstood something?
Yeah, I was confused at first too. But I think what was meant was that someone in the writing department had heard the song first...an awake person. And chose 'Kevin" based on this song
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Why isn't the Boston Globe doing a better job?
by Londo111 inhttps://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/north/2016/06/29/who-are-jehovah-witnesses-who-live-among/z39a6dvdcp5lvufo7y7ozo/story.html.
why isn't the boston globe doing a better job covering this group?.
after all, the movie spotlight won an oscar about this paper and their groundbreaking journalism into the catholic church covering child abuse.
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Mad Irishman: The Catholic Church has had over 15,000 priests molest over 1 million kids, some in my family, and they hid and reassigned all of them over and over and over for 50 years and did nothing in almost every case.
That isn't exactly the same story as JW's.No, it isn't exactly the same.
The Catholic Church has over 1.2 billion members worldwide. The JWs have (apparently) around 8 million. Big difference. The JWs make up less that one percent of that size.
And here is another thing that is different - not all of the JW pedophiles were/are "priests" or persons in a clerical position. Many of the cases in the JWs involve incest. In the case of the Catholic Church cover-up, I have yet to hear of incest being part of the scenario. Incest is what separates the Catholic Church scandal from the JW child sex abuse scandal
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VillageIdiot: but the rhyming line "Kevin get to heaven" is not JWish correct.
Ah...but maybe Kevin would grow up and drink the wine...
*to add - the line is said as tho it is the singer saying it. It is a normal reaction of an ordinary person to seeing a little boy selling religion at their door - they don't know that Kevin doesn't have "heavenly hope"
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Doc: How many first names are there for males? And the WTS Writing Dept or Teaching Committee picks "Kevin"? What are the odds?
Yep, sure sounds like someone is awake on the writing staff.
DocAnd then there is this...someone on the writing staff may have been from Germany
The Strange German Disease Called "Kevinism": Can a Lame Name Mess Up Your Life?