Posts by OrphanCrow

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How many JWs actually died in Nazi camps

by dogon in

the jws have tried to pad the number of jws in camps.

how many actually went and how many died?

can you site the source also?

OrphanCrow

Giorando: (The non-German Jehovah's Witnesses suffered a considerably higher percentage of deaths than their German co-religionists.)...

Exactly. What the numbers reported don't reveal is the huge split that was apparent in the German WT at the time.

There had been a division in 1925 that saw many of the Bible Students in Germany leave the WT and follow Conrad Binkele's Bible Students. These Bible Students (the Earnest Bible Students), that were loyal to Russell's teaching, still followed the dual covenant theology that Russell espoused and they rejected Rutherford's replacement theology.

There are accounts of the JWs, in the employ of SS officers, who spoke out against the Jews...exactly like Rutherford did. And then....those poor Bible Students (who got lumped into the "official" JW numbers after the war), that supported the Jewish homeland, were the ones who got the worst treatment. The JWs who followed the Rutherford replacement theology got the best, and the privileged, treatment by the SS.

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How many JWs actually died in Nazi camps

by dogon in

the jws have tried to pad the number of jws in camps.

how many actually went and how many died?

can you site the source also?

OrphanCrow

sfb: Wikipedia has the correct numbers from Detlef Garbe the leading expert on this topic. There were 20,000 JWs in Nazi Germany, 10,000 were imprisoned, 2000 of them in concentration camps, and around 1200 died in custody including 250 who were executed.

What those numbers don't reveal is that half of the JWs/BibleStudents that were arrested did sign the declaration to be released.

What you won't find in those numbers is the number of JWs who held positions of privilege during the war with SS members and their families. You won't find the accounts of the JWs who sat out the war in a posh camp as caretakers of Himmler's castle. You won't find the accounts of how JWs were released, by Heinrich Himmler the leader of the SS, on a handshake and considered partially free by war's end.

A Castle, Estates and Berry Picking: Personal Servants and Positions of Privilege

and you won't find the account of how Himmler had made an order in 1944 to relocate JWs to conquered territories:

In July 1944, Himmler ordered Ernst Kaltenbrunner, the head of the RSHA, to begin the exporting of the faith of the Jehovah's Witnesses to the occupied east.[39] Himmler considered the Jehovah's Witnesses of being frugal, hard-working, honest and fanatic in their pacifism, and that these traits were extremely desirable for the suppressed nations in the east

I understand the position of not denigrating the JWs and Bible Students who did suffer during WW2...but I also think it is important to set the record straight about what really went on with the JWs and the Nazis by the time the war was over.

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Howto: get access to scientific papers

by Anders Andersen in

since most people are not aware on how to get (free*) access to scientific papers and journals, so here's a short list of resources.. search http://scholar.google.com for the paper.

maybe you'll get lucky and find it somewhere for free.. if you can only find a paid for version of the paper, get the title, doi (sort of like an isbn number) and link to the download page of the paper on the paysite.. if you don't know the doi, find it by searching your paper's title on http://crossref.org.

go to the libgen site (links here: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ) and search for the paper.

OrphanCrow

Old Hippie, archive.org archives historic publications but it does not archive "historic scientific publications".

I am looking for scientific articles that have been published in credible medical journals...not the psuedo science such as stuff related to the canopy theory, the pyramids, and other pseudo science sources that the WT is fond of using.

I am looking for real science sources - medical journal articles. Archive.org is useful, but not for scientific/medical research.

Thank you for the Dixon/Smalley article, jwleaks. Interesting the way that the WT's timeline has large differences to the timeline that sits outside of the ordinary JWs' reach...it is interesting that, in 1981, technology that wouldn't get official WT approval for many years was already being arranged prior to 1981, by the WT and promoted by their goons, the up and coming HLC network

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Howto: get access to scientific papers

by Anders Andersen in

since most people are not aware on how to get (free*) access to scientific papers and journals, so here's a short list of resources.. search http://scholar.google.com for the paper.

maybe you'll get lucky and find it somewhere for free.. if you can only find a paid for version of the paper, get the title, doi (sort of like an isbn number) and link to the download page of the paper on the paysite.. if you don't know the doi, find it by searching your paper's title on http://crossref.org.

go to the libgen site (links here: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ) and search for the paper.

OrphanCrow

Excellent. Much appreciated, jwleaks.

This is interesting...both Dr. Dixon and Smalley have a place in my research of the blood ban. I wonder what report this article is speaking about. 1985 coincides with timeline markers in the bloodless world.

I await your expertise...

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Howto: get access to scientific papers

by Anders Andersen in

since most people are not aware on how to get (free*) access to scientific papers and journals, so here's a short list of resources.. search http://scholar.google.com for the paper.

maybe you'll get lucky and find it somewhere for free.. if you can only find a paid for version of the paper, get the title, doi (sort of like an isbn number) and link to the download page of the paper on the paysite.. if you don't know the doi, find it by searching your paper's title on http://crossref.org.

go to the libgen site (links here: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ) and search for the paper.

OrphanCrow

Jwleaks, I want that particular article. It is referenced in another article and I want to check the source.

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Howto: get access to scientific papers

by Anders Andersen in

since most people are not aware on how to get (free*) access to scientific papers and journals, so here's a short list of resources.. search http://scholar.google.com for the paper.

maybe you'll get lucky and find it somewhere for free.. if you can only find a paid for version of the paper, get the title, doi (sort of like an isbn number) and link to the download page of the paper on the paysite.. if you don't know the doi, find it by searching your paper's title on http://crossref.org.

go to the libgen site (links here: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ) and search for the paper.

OrphanCrow

Well, I tried all those (except reddit) and I can't find this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2414307

Anybody?

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Remote Translation Offices (RTO) of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brokeback Watchtower in

what do you think about these things.

it seems like a monumental waste of time and money, a pipe dream of the governing body based on wishful thinking.

this corporation is going down the tubes with these asshole deluded genius's calling the financial investment shot.. buying chemical dump property around the world to build their financial empire headquarters on while facing massive child molestation lawsuits now and many more in the future means it looking kind of bleak for these messed idiots running things.. http://jw-branchoffices.blogspot.com/p/watchtower-remote-translation-offices.html.

OrphanCrow

Dreamerdude, no...they don't. They don't need the revitalization of the language but the WT does in order to get funding and positioning.

Here is a 'funny' story. A few years back, I lived in a semi-remote almost Northern town in Canada. The town had a fairly large Indigenous population and the JWs actively pursued them both in town and on the surrounding reserves.

My neighbor would get WT literature written in Cree. We would sit and laugh at the "white natives" in the illustrations. I asked her, "Do you know anybody that reads Cree?" She laughed, snorted, and said "No". The language is not read in the communities and the dialects are so varied that the WT literature is, well...useless. Cree is not the only indigenous language spoken in their communities.

I wish I had kept the Cree Bible Teach book (I think that was the publication...) and had taken it to the university to get analyzed for appropriateness and accuracy of translation. It gets me a bit riled to think of the indigenous population being targeted by yet another pedophile loving cult. They are a people who have deep wounds from the residential school abuse and here we have another religion with pretty pictures and promises, another religion that protects child abusers, inserting themselves into a vulnerable population.

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Do you remember this WT calendar art?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

these are of early '70s vintage, i recall.

my job was to sort through thousands of these and be sure they were not "off register.".

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OrphanCrow

That is a blast from the past, Coco. I totally forgot about that calendar but I can see it now...hanging on the kitchen wall...

smiddy:...I seem to recall that The "Aid To Bible Understanding " was released about that same time yet the subject of Elder was not in it.
It puzzled me a lot back then.

The adoption of the term "elder" was puzzling to me. I exited in the pre-elder days. It was so strange to hear my sister say "elder" in the mid to late 70s(?) because I grew up with the mantra that "elder is a term in used by those churches of False Christendom. JWs aren't a part of this world...we don't use "elder" ".

I visited my elderly mother a few years back. She would slip into the 30s and 40s terms of "our bethren" when she was speaking of the "brothers from Bethel".

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Remote Translation Offices (RTO) of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brokeback Watchtower in

what do you think about these things.

it seems like a monumental waste of time and money, a pipe dream of the governing body based on wishful thinking.

this corporation is going down the tubes with these asshole deluded genius's calling the financial investment shot.. buying chemical dump property around the world to build their financial empire headquarters on while facing massive child molestation lawsuits now and many more in the future means it looking kind of bleak for these messed idiots running things.. http://jw-branchoffices.blogspot.com/p/watchtower-remote-translation-offices.html.

OrphanCrow

dreamerdude: ...about getting Satan's governments to support their work. In addition to getting government aid

The JWs are active in asking for that government aid. This is the paper, submitted by a JW, that I had mentioned in my previous post:

https://oatd.org/oatd/record?record=oai%5C%3Adspace.unza.zm%5C%3A123456789%5C%2F3011

Author Chisenga, Cecilia
Title An evaluation of the Literacy Programme offered by the Church: A case of selected Jehova's Witness congregations in Chongwe District of Zambia
URL http://hdl.handle.net/123456789/3011
Publication Date 2013
University/Publisher University of Zambia
Abstract This study was an evaluation of the literacy programme conducted by Jehovah‟s Witnesses (JWs) in the selected congregations in Chongwe district in Zambia. The aim of the study was to establish whether the literacy programme conducted by JWs was achieving its aims and objectives. It also looked at the methods and materials the facilitators used when teaching in order to meet the goals of the literacy programme. Furthermore, it has established the literacy level of the learners before they were exposed to the literacy classes.The research design used in the study was the qualitative approach. Data was collected using lesson observation, interviews, miscue test and document review techniques. The population of the study included all the graduates from the congregations visited. The purposeful and snowball sampling procedures were used to select the sites and the participants. Data was collected from four congregations and the sample of the study consisted of forty graduates of the literacy programme of JWs. The main findings of this study were that the graduates of the literacy programme conducted by JWs were able to read the bible and any other literature in Cinyanja. Lack of pens and exercise books may be a contributing factor to low writing skills among the graduates of this programme as they seemed to be doing more reading than writing. The literacy providers require training so that they are exposed to effective adult literacy teaching methods. The syllabic technique the facilitators used was found to be very effective as many learners were able to break through to literacy. Lack of furniture and designated classroom may have been a problem. However, this can be challenged as there are a lot of schools operating without furniture and some, like learners from community schools learn to read and write under a tree. (See literature review)One of the main recommendations of this study is for the Government to recognize the initiative made by church organizations like JW in the fight against illiteracy and support them even by giving them small grants or train the facilitators.

It is interesting to note that the Kingdom Hall, in the Zambian congregation that the author studied, was financed in the usual way - with a loan from the WT. And then, the WT supplied them with basic literacy aids but it was up to the congregation to sustain those supplies and purchase anything additional that they needed. As well, the JW 'teachers' were not adequately trained.

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Howto: get access to scientific papers

by Anders Andersen in

since most people are not aware on how to get (free*) access to scientific papers and journals, so here's a short list of resources.. search http://scholar.google.com for the paper.

maybe you'll get lucky and find it somewhere for free.. if you can only find a paid for version of the paper, get the title, doi (sort of like an isbn number) and link to the download page of the paper on the paysite.. if you don't know the doi, find it by searching your paper's title on http://crossref.org.

go to the libgen site (links here: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ) and search for the paper.

OrphanCrow

Thank you, Anders.

Accessing scientific papers are the bane of my existence. Everything used to be easy when I had Uni access

I use Sci-Hub a lot but I run into a wall with some articles. I appreciate the other avenues you and others have offered.

:)