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  What age were you when you were counted as a publisher?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wts has always included minors and adults in the same categories - publisher and baptized.. i am interested in knowing how many minors, approximately, are included in the publisher count.

  and, at what age a person started publishing.

  what age was the youngest publisher reported?.

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  Blondie, would you be able to recall how many publishers were minors in comparison to the adults that were?

  The more I think about this, and with the feedback so far, it appears that minors would make up a large proportion of not only the publisher count but also of those who are part of the baptism count.

  reopenedmind: When my youngest son was one year old I began pioneering. The secretary suggested that since he accompanied me most of the time it would be interesting if I turned in a time slip for him.

  That's bizarre
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  What age were you when you were counted as a publisher?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wts has always included minors and adults in the same categories - publisher and baptized.. i am interested in knowing how many minors, approximately, are included in the publisher count.

  and, at what age a person started publishing.

  what age was the youngest publisher reported?.

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  OrphanCrow

  Thank you for your responses everybody.

  I was counted as a publisher around the age of 6, I think (way too long ago!). My sister and brother got baptized at 17.

  I am trying to come up with a plausible way of separating minors from adults in the publisher or baptism count of membership.

  From my recollection, the minors who were publishers, in the congregation I attended, made up at least 25-30% of the publisher work force. It seemed like anyone who could hand a leaflet to somebody they didn't know could turn in time and family day meant that the whole family packed a lunch and headed out in field service.

  I am interested in breaking down the adults and minors for a project I am working on but I have been thinking about how the WTS has always reported their numbers of members in one group - adults and minors together. There is a subtle (maybe not so subtle) message being given to the JWs that an underage person is on the same plane as an adult. The boundary between adult and minor doesn't exist in JW land and this has potent implications for how the child abuse is handled. And, in a way, it contributes to that boundary line being transgressed sexually simply because that line is not defined.

  Children are made into small adults and expected to make life and death decisions concerning blood transfusions. It then becomes not such a great leap for an abuser to also treat a child as though they are compliant in the abuser's crime. The child has been recognized by the WTS as having the same standing as adults once they become a publisher and that sends the same message to an abuser.

  My interest in this subject concerns the blood ban, but I can see how the lack of a boundary between adult and minor also contributes to the child sex abuse problem.

  So....my query at this point is - what would have been the ratio of minors to adults of the publishers in your congregation? 10%? 25% or maybe half?
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  What age were you when you were counted as a publisher?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wts has always included minors and adults in the same categories - publisher and baptized.. i am interested in knowing how many minors, approximately, are included in the publisher count.

  and, at what age a person started publishing.

  what age was the youngest publisher reported?.

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  OrphanCrow

  The WTS has always included minors and adults in the same categories - publisher and baptized.

  I am interested in knowing how many minors, approximately, are included in the publisher count. And, at what age a person started publishing. What age was the youngest publisher reported?

  For those who were baptized, too, at what age did you get baptized?

  I was never baptized but, years ago when I was a kid, most born-ins got baptized in their mid teens. And the publisher count had almost as many minors as it did adults. Has that changed?
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  What if one of the GB members suddenly needed blood?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is not much to be analyzed.

  in a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself.

  he would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin.

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  Lee: I would not be surprised to see them accept blood if needed to live.

  Maybe. But only if that blood had been processed, synthesized and sterilized.

  The GB, along with all true believers, have a blood sharing phobia. They believe that blood from other people is dirty and the blood refusal is more of a fear of contamination than anything else.

  What would likely happen, long before a conventional blood transfusion could be offered as an option, is that the GB would have a direct line to the FDA officials and to the military personnel that would be in charge of flying in a special container of whatever blood substitute was the best at the time, regardless of what that substitute was made from. Nothing but the best, sterilized and clean substitute for blood that could be found.

  And, if that miracle fluid didn't keep the holy one from death's door...the jworg broadcasting would be all aglow with the leftover rapture glitter left behind as another chosen one made their exit to the holy realms of Christ's presence.
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  Another Subliminal Image? On the JW Website

  by The Searcher in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this image appears on the current main web page - as you scroll the "witnessing" photos.. weird "facial" image at the guy's right shoulder.. .

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  smiddy: obviously a double exposure , yes ?

  Not really. More like a delayed exposure. Sort of the result of the time it took the camera to figure out what it was seeing and the time it took to translate it into light patterns - those two things intersect strangely sometimes, especially at low light conditions

  A double exposure is a film term...done either deliberately in camera or in the darkroom or by accident. Forgot to turn the spindle to the next frame. And grandpa's head grows out of the rose bush.
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  Another Subliminal Image? On the JW Website

  by The Searcher in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this image appears on the current main web page - as you scroll the "witnessing" photos.. weird "facial" image at the guy's right shoulder.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  Digital photography. It captures and translates light weirdly - differently than the human camera, the eye, does. Odd shapes are common. This one is a purse/backpack.
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  Canadian current and former JWs questioning the blood issue

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was interviewed yesterday by stephen smith at the cbc.

  he would also like to interview other current and former jws, along with any elders or hlc members who are questioning the blood policy.here is his contact information:stephen smithweb journalistcbc montreal1-141-62251-514-597-6225email: [email protected] you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly.

  he has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.thanks,lee.

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  OrphanCrow

  Another reason why the JWs in the congregations are being quiet.

  They have been told to be quiet. Don't say anything.

  They are being investigated.

  What do you think the Watchtower lawyers have told them to do? Without question, the WT legal team will be all over this. They need to be. A coroner's investigation will have the WT lawyers buzzing around the hive
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  Canadian current and former JWs questioning the blood issue

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was interviewed yesterday by stephen smith at the cbc.

  he would also like to interview other current and former jws, along with any elders or hlc members who are questioning the blood policy.here is his contact information:stephen smithweb journalistcbc montreal1-141-62251-514-597-6225email: [email protected] you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly.

  he has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.thanks,lee.

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  Steel: I am serious.
  Is it kind of an unofficial rule to not talk about the deaths? Or is it just my hall.

  I don't know. I am nowhere near a hall. Never will be.

  But, I appreciate your observation. This case has rarely left my mind since it happened.

  I think the JWs might be in a bit of shock. Shock that not one but two mothers so close to each other. Shock that the miracles of bloodless surgery and alternatives promised them by the HLC didn't work.

  And shame. Shame that the whole world is looking at them. Looking at them and wondering - wondering how...how could Eloise's husband, the JW family and friends, her own mother, - the woman who had given her life..whose blood, her own blood, had covered her at birth - how could they tend her bedside during those horrible, long days - 6 days and nights - and not once, not one of them...reach out their arm and say - "Here, take mine. She has done her duty - she has fulfilled her promise to Jehovah. She is in need. I will do it - I will take it for her - the sin of the blood that I am told not to give. Christ gave his blood and so will I"

  At the point that this young mother was no longer conscious, she lost her ability to give consent. And the JWs in that room could have still acknowledged her sincere belief, and stepped up to the plate to save her life. But they didn't. Why? Because they were told not to. Or it would be them that would lose their chance at paradise. They stood fast so they would get saved.

  I have a daughter around the same age as Eloise. My daughter is pregnant. We share the same blood type. And I wouldn't hesitate to stretch out my arm and let my life blood drip into her veins. To keep my baby and hers alive. And I could even do it in that continuous loop that the JWs have been told to do - directly from me to her. Easily.

  Elosie's death was not only needless, as well as Mirlande's death ten days previous, but both deaths were shameful. A shame to all of the JWs at your hall and all involved in this. They should be quiet. They should be thinking about what they did and would do if it was them. They should be thinking about their loved ones, wondering if they, too, would follow the WT or would follow their heart.
  
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  What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) there are many faithful jws.

  2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

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  I think their plan is to eventually become strictly an online religion.

  The WT's interests lie elsewhere. The "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" is a millstone around their neck. It only serves to give them tax free status. For now.

  Take away their tax free status and it will be sink or swim for the religion. But the WTS will survive. Quite well, likely. It is an octopus - the religion is only one arm
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  Watchtower Policy Makes Informed Consent Improbable

  by Lee Elder in

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  2. medical

  watchtower misinformation on blood, coupled with coercion equals undue influence, and makes informed consent nearly impossible for most jw's in life or death situations.

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  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovah-s-witnesses-incapable-of-free-informed-refusal-of-blood-former-adherent-says-1.3829778.

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  SlidinFast: The good thing is that the issue is no longer whether blood transfusion is good or bad. Now the spotlight has shifted to the HLC involvement and the pressure exerted on patients that become victims.
  Encouraging coverage.

  Absolutely.

  This story is not going away.

  I am glad that Bethany's father is involved. I remember when Bethany died and I was so upset at the time. I have often thought about her father, knowing how devastated he had been and how badly he was treated by the WTS. It is good that he isn't silent.

  I have a feeling there is more yet to come. A lot more. This story is just getting legs. It should break into a jog pretty soon

  Thanks for posting this, Lee