the numbers don't lie... definitely slowing down!!.
in the 40´s the average growth per year was 20%in the 50´s it was about 10%they had four decades of solid 5% per yearnow the average for the past 16 years has been 2%.
maybe in the future it will be 1% or 0 or even negative????.
richard: How is my reasoning off?
Because percentage increase is the only accurate way to measure increase. Not numerical like you proposed in your previous post
You said: "You cannot just look at percentage as the only number you look at."
That is wrong. Of course percentage is the only way to measure increase accurately. That is why what you said after makes no sense. None. Not in terms of measuring increase. Percentage of increase is just that - a measurement of increase
the numbers don't lie... definitely slowing down!!.
in the 40´s the average growth per year was 20%in the 50´s it was about 10%they had four decades of solid 5% per yearnow the average for the past 16 years has been 2%.
maybe in the future it will be 1% or 0 or even negative????.
richard: You cannot just look at percentage as the only number you look at. Think about it this way, if you get a raise of $1 per hour each year. If you start at $15 dollars an hour the raise equals about 7% but the next year when you get the raise because the starting point is now $16 dollars an hour the increase is now less percentage wise it is now only 6%, then the next year the percentage increase is even lower is only 5% and so on and so on. So Yes in the 40s and 50s the percentage increase for Watchtower was greater because they had a smaller starting number, but as that starting number gets bigger, unless the amount of people you add gets bigger at the same rate the percentage is still the same.
I am not saying that Watchtower doesn't have a increase problem, but you cannot solely look at the percentage increase.
Huh?
I thought you had an understanding of stats.
Your reasoning is off on this, Richard
i looked at the 2017 yearbook figures this morning, and it reminded me of something which happened in my former congregation 2 years ago.
it was a tiny foreign language congregation with at most 25-30 publishers.
comes and splits a 30 member congregation into....three.
Richard, the piling up of congregations into one Kingdom Hall isn't necessarily connected to language groups (you know that, don't you?).
Selling off KH's and showing an increase in congregations is entirely plausible.
For example, in Barrie, Ontario, there are 3 Kingdom Halls and 9 congregations.
donald trump on monday named son-in-law jared kushner as senior white house advisor, rewarding the man widely credited as the brains behind his election but courting serious legal and ethical concerns..
the baby-faced real estate developer and magazine publisher who turns 36 on tuesday, will be the youngest top member of the administration, working closely with chief of staff reince priebus and chief strategist steve bannon..
"jared has been a tremendous asset and trusted advisor throughout the campaign and transition and i am proud to have him in a key leadership role in my administration," announced the republican president-elect..
DD: The WTBTS Real Estate business loves Kushner!
Oh yeah. They sure do. Kushner was the focus of the documentary that landed the WTS in the position to buy a Telly Award.
Interesting to note that the video that gained them that award, the one that featured Kushner, is no longer on the org's website:
Was the org asked to take the video down? Did they decide to remove it on their own initiative or was the removal a request from the org's friend, Kushner, to remove it in anticipation for this appointment?
*the article in the OP is no longer available - this link has the story:
contrary to popular belief you can have your baptism annulled as i did by my local elders after my judicial hearing.. the watchtower of 1964 page 126 first paragraph clearly states that anyone that was committing a gross sin before, during and after their baptism is void.
in order to get right with the lord you would need to be re-baptised.
err no thanks, i'm not a believer!!!!.
Richt: The Watchtower of 1964 page 126 first paragraph clearly states that anyone that was committing a gross sin before, during and after their baptism is void. In order to get right with the lord you would need to be re-baptised.
Was it the 1964 Watchtower? I thought that it was a 1962 Watchtower that prompted the surge of re-baptism in that year. (was there another article again in '64?)
The 1963 Yearbook, page 51, says this about the re-baptism that occurred in '62:
It also took courage for a number of others who were
not counted in with those above who were rebaptized,
evidently due to the information appearing in the article
in The Watchtower shortly before this series of conventions
on the matter of baptism, wherein it was pointed
out that, if people were not living a proper kind of life
morally and were baptized while not appreciating their
dedication to God, nor knowing fully what it meant,
they should be rebaptized. Quite a few were rebaptized
in some countries. In fact, in-one country the percentage
of those rebaptized went as high as 9 percent. Of course,
these were not counted in the numbers baptized for the
first time, as listed above. This brings home very forcefully
the responsibility that comes upon those already
dedicated to God and who are teaching newly interested
ones, namely, that, when holding Bible studies with
persons in their homes, we should not try to hurry them
into baptism, but we should give them a full understanding
of Jehovah's purposes, what requirements and responsibilities
go with dedication and baptism and be
sure that they know their lives must be morally clean
and in proper order for this important step in their
lives. Dedication and baptism are steps that everyone
must take if he is going to gain everlasting life. However,
it is not a formalism. Therefore there is no reason
to be baptized if one is unclean or does not understand
fully what he is doing.
the 2014 - 2015 jw statistics showed a peak publisher decline of 884 with the average publisher tally showing a gain of 183. .
the 2017 yearbook is now available via jw.org and the statistics for britain show a 2016 peak publisher increase of 630 and an average publisher increase of a paltry 26!.
nothing to shout about on the part of the followers of caiaphas in the britain branch.
steve: Anyone have the numbers for that?
I do
I recently went through all the yearbooks from 1945 and up, extracted the Service Reports for each year, and then compiled them into pdfs for each decade (including maps!)
I sent the pdfs to wifibandit. He should be able to make them available.
If you give me a minute (or a few)...maybe I can post the pertinent years
Calling wifi...
i was going through some research i had done a few years ago and came across something that referenced rojw healthcare support and a note to myself to take a look at rojw when i had the time.
so i did a search for rojw (an acronym for religious order of jehovah's witnesses).. the search turned up some interesting bits of information.. according to dun & bradstreet, rojw was founded in 2011:.
since 2011, rojw has been providing nonclassifiable establishments from wallkill.. for a list of persons who have worked for rojw:.
I apologize, Richard - wholeheartedly. I am sorry.
I posted this:
"*and this is to Richard: it is really annoying when you post something, I reply to it, and then you go back into your post and change it so that my reply appears to be redundant when it isn't. I think people would call that "covering your ass" "
And now that I go back and read the posts...I was wrong. You didn't edit your post. My bad. Sorry again.
i was going through some research i had done a few years ago and came across something that referenced rojw healthcare support and a note to myself to take a look at rojw when i had the time.
so i did a search for rojw (an acronym for religious order of jehovah's witnesses).. the search turned up some interesting bits of information.. according to dun & bradstreet, rojw was founded in 2011:.
since 2011, rojw has been providing nonclassifiable establishments from wallkill.. for a list of persons who have worked for rojw:.
careful: One question already from what you posted: it looks a discrepancy in the year ROJW was founded—was it in 2011 according to D&B or 1999 according to Erica Belfield's entry (as I'm assuming) on the bizstanding link?
I had the same question. I think it is likely that 1999 was the year that the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses was established and 2011 was the year that ROJW was founded to accommodate the Wallkill location.
*and this is to Richard: it is really annoying when you post something, I reply to it, and then you go back into your post and change it so that my reply appears to be redundant when it isn't. I think people would call that "covering your ass"
i saw this on reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).
Well. I'm disappointed.
Page 30 - Legal Matters.
Not one mention of the legal issues concerning child sex abuse victims.
Huh. Knock me over with a feather...
i was going through some research i had done a few years ago and came across something that referenced rojw healthcare support and a note to myself to take a look at rojw when i had the time.
so i did a search for rojw (an acronym for religious order of jehovah's witnesses).. the search turned up some interesting bits of information.. according to dun & bradstreet, rojw was founded in 2011:.
since 2011, rojw has been providing nonclassifiable establishments from wallkill.. for a list of persons who have worked for rojw:.
You could very well be right, Richard. I was only sharing what is available online. If, indeed, those salary figures are simply estimates of what those positions should pay, then it is still interesting information.
*to add:
I know for a certainty, at least in the US, no member of the order receives anymore money than the usual allowance.
Do you also know for a certainty that ROJW does not hire and pay professionals for certain administrative or medical positions, etc?
