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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  january 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.

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  RO: Outlaw. Then if you know that why did you call them a first world nation.

  Oh Richard. Outlaw didn't call "them" a first world nation.

  Outlaw said: "1st Nations People"

  Google it, Richard. You can add that to your "facts" file
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  Richard, google searching that information doesn't show that you know how the granting system works.

  You miss the whole point of why I am making a big deal out of this.

  You had said that governments offer grants to the WTS.

  You made it sound like the WTS was approached with a gift and they just simply said "oh, thank you very much"

  To repeat - the granting system does not work like that
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  RO: OK if you don't like the argument of student grants. The Department of Justice offers 41% of their grants for a formula based grant system, where if an organization meets the requirements for a grant it is then awarded to them without discretion.

  Right. The awarding of the grant is dependent upon the organization "meeting requirements". The competition is built into the application process itself and doesn't appear in the final awarding of the grants - that competitive quality is fulfilled by the "meeting requirement" rule.

  That still doesn't mean that the grant is "offered". The decision to apply for that grant still rests with the organization itself - it is not offered to them. It is a different process than what you implied with your original statement.

  And thank you that information about the Justice Department grants. Would it be safe to assume you know that because of your association with the org under question? Did you have the opportunity to apply for some of those grants from the Justice Department on behalf of the WTS?

  
  
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  Richard, government grants are not "offered", regardless if you compete for them or not. *edit to add - your little bit about student grants is irrelevant to this topic

  You are using watchtower speak and slipping sideways with your speech.

  Just like with this comment:

  " The Navajo nation is very happy that Watchtower is trying to present information in that language..."

  Says who? The Watchtower?

  
  
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  Thank you for your reply, Richard.

  Just one little comment. You said "...they do accept government grants when it is offered to them"

  Government grants don't work that way. The grants are not "offered". Organizations apply and compete for them.
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  Joe: I also suspect that WT may be in receipt of government subsidies for 'promotion of the Welsh language'.

  ^^^This^^^

  Richard Oliver, you come across as having knowledge about how the WTS operates. Any comment on the possibility that the org receives grants/subsidies/special considerations, etc., for providing language services?

  Language revitalization is a popular global initiative. How does the org's language initiatives fit in that framework? Do they take advantage of the monies available for such an endeavor?

  Or are the translation operations of the WTS simply a "charitable activity" that enables the org to have tax-free status?
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  A problem for believers

  by Bugbear in

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  a problem for believers!.

  a majority of the world’s population acknowledge that they believe in a superior god or in their creator.

  they also claim that they have got this special understanding and knowledge of his will and his law.

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  OrphanCrow

  “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.” ― Susan B. Anthony.
  
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  January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh

  by wifibandit in

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  RO: There is a legal definition of control over a corporation. The governing body does not have seats on the board of directors, nor are they voting members of the corporation. Technically the directors of the corporation can tell the GB to go and screw off if they wanted too, from a legal point of view. It is does the person have legal control over an organization or are they an employee of that corporation. The only thing that the GB are members of is the ROSFSJW.

  Exactly.

  That is what people on this forum and elsewhere have been saying for ages. And yet, whenever the suggestion comes up that the GB doesn't control the WTS and that the control of the org is "behind the scenes"...then everybody jumps up and down and accuses the person who made that claim as being a conspiracy nut.

  All the energy that people put into railing against the GB is pretty much useless - it is the corporation that has the power, not the GB
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  Russia to liquidate Jehovah's Witnesses' organization

  by processor in

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  http://starconnectmedia.com/2017/01/19/russia-gets-go-ahead-to-liquidate-jehovahs-witnesses-organisation/.

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  OrphanCrow

  
  

  Even Stalin could not eliminate Jehovah's Witnesses

  JEHOVAH AND THE PROSECUTOR. HOW THE STATE COMBATS A SECT
  

  Representative of organization says the actions of government confirm prophecy by Jesus Christ

  by Anton Bykov

  Open Russia, 17 January 2017

  The Jehovah's Witnesses—one of the largest religious organizations in the world—may be banned in Russia because of the distribution of extremist literature. In several cities adherents of this organization have already found themselves outside the law. Law enforcement agencies have pursued Jehovists for several years, and after the adoption of the antiextremist law in the country several regional congregations have been liquidated and witnesses have been subjected to criminal prosecution. However in the past year the prosecutor general began a decisive attack on Jehovah's Witnesses, threatening to enter the organizations into the list of extremists. In that case, all of its branches will be closed and the Jehovists themselves, who number in Russia about 100,000, will be deprived of the possibility of openly professing their religious views.
  
  On Monday, 16 January, a Moscow city court declined to satisfy an appeal filed by Jehovah's Witnesses against the action of the prosecutor general's office. Thereby the decision of a lower instance, which earlier had recognized as legal the warning about the impermissibility of committing extremist activity issued by the prosecutor's office against the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses, remained in force.

  *read full article at link - good background information

  more here: National Jehovah's Witnesses center rebuffed in court
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  Russia to liquidate Jehovah's Witnesses' organization

  by processor in

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  http://starconnectmedia.com/2017/01/19/russia-gets-go-ahead-to-liquidate-jehovahs-witnesses-organisation/.

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  OrphanCrow

  schnell: Is there a more credible source for this news than something like "star connect media"?

  From Forum18 May 2016:

  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  *edit to add more info about the ECHR:

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1724
  

  European Court of Human Rights
  While very slow, one possibility for redress against misapplication of the 2002 Extremism Law is the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. In June 2010 Jehovah's Witnesses lodged a complaint with the European Court over Russia's upholding of the Rostov regional ban on 34 Jehovah's Witness titles and their Taganrog community (Application No. 32401/10). By March 2012, Jehovah's Witnesses had submitted a further 13 applications to the European Court centring on numerous "counter-extremism" actions by the Russian state, including raids, prosecutions and bans on literature. The Court has yet to declare these cases admissible, and if it does it will be some years before they are heard.