Posts by OrphanCrow

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

OrphanCrow

RO: I don't get where you are coming up with it is the six sigma of prescribing and that six sigma means it is the safest.

Of course you don't. You haven't done your research.

I have posted the source for my comment on other threads on here and it would take some time to find it.

My comments are derived from an FDA document where exactly what I said was stated by, I believe, the person responsible for blood transfusion safety for the US.

I based my comment on what he said - he was the one who made that claim in an FDA document discussing the safety of artificial blood. I am pretty sure it is the same document where the US Army (or was it the Navy?) was trying to convince the FDA that the Jehovah's Witnesses were the ideal population on which to continue testing artificial blood products.

I will look for that document if you are really interested in reading it. If not...please don't waste my time.

Which brings up this question - did you bother to read the link I posted in my last comment?

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Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

OrphanCrow

tor1500: No most JW's are not who they are in the hall...they send their representatives to the hall. The real person is when you just drop by the house..but again they can put on then....I say be a fly on the wall and you would really see who they really are....

What? what??

You mean to say that the JWs aren't as honest as they portray themselves to be? That they can't even be honest about who they are let alone be honest about anything else?

Huh...I guess that blows the JW honesty myth out of the water. Knock me over with a feather and call me Bob

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

OrphanCrow

Richard, please, please, read the information at the following link very carefully. If you really want to bring up "risks", it would be a good idea if you knew the facts about those risks.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Blood_Transfusions:_How_Safe

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

OrphanCrow

I just have to say a bit more about that promotional video for bloodless medicine that Fisherman posted.

The "bloodless" industry is dependent upon blood transfusion technology. Without blood transfusions, there would be no "bloodless" medicine.

The doctor in this video emphasizes how much better it is to avoid blood. What he fails to mention is that "sometimes" (a lot of the time, actually...) the alternatives to allogenic blood transfusions that are being developed are riskier than the blood transfusion itself.

Case in point: Hemopure et al

Artificial/synthetic blood is the holy grail of the bloodless industry. Hemopure, along with others like Polyheme, did not get FDA approval. And why was that? Well...if you took Hemopure instead of the standard allogenic blood transfusion, you increased your risk of dying by as much as 30%.

I won't even get into any of the other "alternatives" that are promoted by the bloodless cult and how those alternatives have increased morbidity and mortality in the patients who have used them.

The bloodless industry shamelessly hides that their promotional material is deceptive and they don't reveal the true cost of pursuing ideology in favor of unbiased medical science. Sound familiar?

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Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

OrphanCrow

smiddy: " they can flip to Malachi ?" whats that mean?

Lol! I think it means that if you can find the book of Malachi in the Bible (and quickly too!) that you are a Bible expert. A scholar, in fact. Bordering on genius. Better than all those Christians who just go to church to celebrate Christmas.

It is such a marketable skill. Essential, in fact

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

OrphanCrow

The first quote out of this doctor's mouth:

"sometimes when a person gets blood it is more dangerous for them than if they didn't get blood"

That is a no brainer. But...then he just goes on to promote 'bloodless' medicine and he says nothing that defines what that "sometimes" means in the larger picture. How many times is "sometimes"? Is sometimes once in a thousand? Once in 10,000? Or is it one in 100,000? Or more? Or is it less? Is it every second time, third...or a million?

Of course there is risk involved in a blood transfusion. However, and this is a big however, blood transfusions are the safest procedure available to the medical profession. The safest. That is a fact. Blood transfusions are the only medical procedure that reaches a six sigma safety rating. That is a fact.

What this doctor fails to say is that every time a person does not get blood when they experience severe blood loss...they die

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

OrphanCrow

That's better, Richard.

Yes, there are indications that the appeal will proceed...but that is all they are - indications. We have to wait for that to be an actual fact.

Gotta get those facts straight.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

OrphanCrow

Landy: The way RO has been treated on this thread for simply presenting useful info is pretty shocking

Yes, Landy, Richard has presented useful information.

My issue with Richard's useful information is the way he has presented it.

Richard has stated the WT's position as though the appeal has been granted and will proceed.

That is not accurate. The court has stated that the appeal may proceed but there is a condition to that proceeding, and it is this: "The appealability of the order may be subject to further consideration during the pendency of the appeal."

Richard presents useful information, but it is important to realize that his presentation is almost always biased towards the Watchtower. Yes, on this forum, you will find people who will get their facts wrong and be always looking for the ways to slam the Watchtower.

Sure, Richard gives the forum balance - his views are always slanted to show the Watchtower in the best light. He gives the facts but he doesn't always present them without bias, and he doesn't always give all the facts. He words things in a way such that the reader is led to believe something other than what those facts mean.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

OrphanCrow

RO: I never said that there is going one way or the other.

No, you didn't.

But you did say "And those are legitimate questions, at least the court thinks so..."

That is a misrepresentation. The court has not stated that it thinks "those are legitimate questions".

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

OrphanCrow

RO: And those are legitimate questions, at least the court thinks so...

I read the court documents you linked to on another thread, Richard.

According to the docket, the appeal can still be denied. It is not set in stone as you present it.The court actually doesn't think they are legitimate questions - that will only be determined when the appeal proceeds. The court has only agreed to hear an appeal but it was not based on whether the concerns were legitimate (that will be determined when and if the appeal proceeds). The issue that has held it up is whether or not the sanctions can even be appealed. The court has reluctantly agreed to let an appeal proceed but that can still be changed

On August 3, 2016, we sent a letter to counsel asking why this case should not be dismissed as from a nonappealable order as it was unclear from the terms of the sanctions order whether the amount of sanctions exceeded the $5, 000 threshold allowing for a direct appeal pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 904.1, subdivision (a)(12). Appellant's counsel responded, establishing that sanctions pursuant to the order had accrued in the amount of $48, 000 by the time of the filing of the notice of appeal, therefore exceeding the $5, 000 threshold. The appeal may proceed. The appealability of the order may be subject to further consideration during the pendency of the appeal.

Reading the history of the Watchtower's attempts to get an appeal even heard (a sanction under $5000 cannot be appealed), it becomes apparent that the Watchtower could be treading on thin ice.

The words that come to mind are "frivolous appeal". Jus' sayin'