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  RC 2017 talk: Safeguard Your Children From “What Is Evil”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  you read that right.

  there is a whole talk on the topic.. .

  outline: safeguard your children from “what is evil” co-tk17-26-e. .

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  OrphanCrow

  fast jehu: Could you give me a link to the source, where I can find this statement?

  In the Submissions on behalf ofWatchtower Bible and Tract Societyof Australia & Others9 November 2015, this statement was made (pg 15):

  Child sexual abuse is a matter of concern to any right thinking parent or adult, and to see it only as an “institutional” problem would be to miss an essential truth: that much abuse occurs within families.

  The Commission responded with this in Report of Case Study No. 29 October 2106 (pg 8):

  A key submission made on behalf of the Watchtower & Ors was that:

  
  Familial child sexual abuse is not institutional sexual abuse, as has been acknowledged by the Commission. Similarly it is self-evident that when child sexual abuse occurs outside ‘institutional’ contexts as defined, the response to it does not fall within the Terms of Reference of this Commission.

  
  The Commission proceeds on the basis that when an allegation of familial sexual abuse becomes known to an elder and is subsequently Scripturally investigated by congregation elders, it ceases to be familial abuse and becomes institutional abuse. This conflation of familial and institutional sexual abuse does not accord with the Terms of Reference.
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  Laura and Lorenz Reibling starting Family Foundation

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  2. beliefs

  http://reiblingfoundation.org/press/.

  reilings's foundation active in supporting certain project .

  - holocaust education, boston university, film festivial about concentration camps and persecution of jw in wwii,.

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  OrphanCrow

  Thanks for posting this, Wonder.

  I don't have time at the moment to go through everything you posted...but, just one quick thing for now (I will return to this later)

  The Reibling money is what goes into the research and promotion of PBM.

  Here is one medical study that has been supported by the Reiblings:

  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/trf.14006/full

  *note all the JWs listed as authors on that study

  A clear $$$$ line that connects the JW blood doctrine to the blood industry. Profiting from the blood doctrine.
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  Timely article August 2017 WT - "Endurance Under Trial Results in Blessings"

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the wts is to be commended on their timely and prompt response to the jw ban in russia.

  the august wt has an article that features the sivulsky family from russia.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2017/endurance-under-trial/.

  pavel sivulsky' son, yaroslav, is getting a lot of air time lately.

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  OrphanCrow

  The WTS is to be commended on their timely and prompt response to the JW ban in Russia.

  The August WT has an article that features the Sivulsky family from Russia.

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2017/endurance-under-trial/

  Pavel Sivulsky' son, Yaroslav, is getting a lot of air time lately. He is/was the Watchtower spokesman during the recent Supreme Court hearing in Russia.

  
  
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  RC 2017 talk: Safeguard Your Children From “What Is Evil”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  you read that right.

  there is a whole talk on the topic.. .

  outline: safeguard your children from “what is evil” co-tk17-26-e. .

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  OrphanCrow

  So. Let me get this straight.

  The WTS submitted a response to the ARC that claimed that they shouldn't be included in Australia's investigation into institutional abuse because...most of the JW cases were familial.

  On one hand, the WTS says that child sex abuse in their congregations is familial, and then they turn around and tell parents to train their children to be alert to predators outside the family circle.

  And on top of that...the WTS seems to think that a child can dress provocatively.

  The guys in the Tower are clueless. They are idiots. They have told so many lies and made so many slimy moves that they don't know which end is up anymore.
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  JW martyr on trial - what is happening in Kazakhstan?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is happening in kazakhstan?

  that country that occupies a space between russia and china?.

  kazakhstan is a landlocked country in central asia that shares borders with russia, china, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, and turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the caspian sea.. kazakhstan is 70% muslim.

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  OrphanCrow

  It appears like Mr. Asaf Guliyev is "no longer a Jehovah's Witness".

  His name has been taken "out of the book".

  That is some fine editing by the WT writing staff.
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  JW.org Childrens Page: Expanding My Circle Of Friends

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/expanding-circle-of-friends/.

  some things of note here, it looks to me that they're encouraging young ones to befriend older people and "people not like them".

  could this be because many of the young ones are now leaving?.

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  OrphanCrow

  That is weird. Really weird.

  Encouraging children to "make friends" with adults? WTF is that?

  Adults are preferred friends for children? Children should be encouraged to socialize with age appropriate friends. Telling children to seek out adults to make friends with is just so wrong on so many levels.

  No wonder the JWs have a problem understanding what child abuse even is when they are told to encourage the kind of behavior that puts a child at risk.
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  JW martyr on trial - what is happening in Kazakhstan?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is happening in kazakhstan?

  that country that occupies a space between russia and china?.

  kazakhstan is a landlocked country in central asia that shares borders with russia, china, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, and turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the caspian sea.. kazakhstan is 70% muslim.

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  OrphanCrow

  Thanks, Darkspliver.

  The org has a 'different' way of reporting things, doesn't it?

  "Inciting ethnic, social, religious, family and racial hatred in collusion with a group of other persons" becomes, in org reporting: merely for sharing his religious beliefs with others.

  And then the org says:

  " He is the first of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Kazakhstan to be criminally convicted for his religious activity since the nation’s independence in 1991."

  That is not true. From Forum 18:

  Of two Jehovah's Witnesses arrested in January in Kazakhstan's capital Astana for "inciting religious hatred or discord" for talking to National Security Committee (KNB) secret police agents about their faith, one has already been punished. Asaf Guliyev was given a five-year restricted freedom sentence on 24 February.

  And why would the org ignore Asaf Guliyev? Well...that guy was probably not considered a JW anymore - he plead guilty to the charges. If Ahmedov was the first to be convicted, what the org is saying is - if you plead guilty....you are no longer a JW.

  * to add - now I understand why Guliyev (the first JW to be convicted) didn't get a mention by the org.

  From Forum 18:

  On 16 March KNB secret police Major Duskaziyev opened a criminal case against two of Akhmedov's lawyers, Natalya Kononenko and Vitaly Kuznetsov (who is from Russia). He is seeking to punish them for appealing about their client's case to President Nursultan Nazarbayev and other state agencies.
  The two lawyers are being investigated under Criminal Code Article 423, which punishes: "Revealing information from a pre-trial investigation by an individual warned under the law of the inadmissibility of information being revealed without the permission of the prosecutor or person undertaking the pre-trial investigation". Punishments are fines of up to 2,000 Monthly Financial Indicators, or restricted freedom or imprisonment of up to two years........................................
  KNB Investigator Duskaziyev is also accusing Kuznetsov of putting pressure on Guliyev, who testified in Akhmedov's case. Kuznetsov and Akhmedov's son Parviz met Guliyev to discuss the case. Guliyev later wrote a complaint to Investigator Duskaziyev against Kuznetsov.
  
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  what is the rarest JW book?

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the rarest jb book ever printed?

  i just bought a copy of the finished mystery and it can be a bit rare.

  but i bet there are others much more rare.

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  OrphanCrow

  I don't think a book has to necessarily be old to be rare.

  I have a hard copy of the very first "Jehovah's Witnesses Alternatives to blood transfusions" 1973. Printed and compiled by "prominent" Canadian JWs and later published by the WT's Hospital Information Services. The first hospital "manual" that was used by the JW Canadian pilot group for the now named HLC.

  I know....It's a book that wasn't circulated to the general public - medical professionals were targeted with that publication. Medical evangelizing done by JWs.
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  UK JWs go up 72 places in latest 2017 Charity 250 Index (2nd highest climbers)

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not really sure what this charity 250 index is trying to do.

  partly because i'd expect a few big household name charities to be on it at the top.

  i've copied the table below - see positions 19 (up from 70) and 130 (up from 202).

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  OrphanCrow

  shepherdless: There is a massive increase in cash coming in from 2013 to 2015, and I just don't believe there has been a massive increase in individual donations over that time.

  There likely hasn't been an increase in individual donations.

  If the UK reporting is anything like the Canadian tax reporting, "donations" can also include donations from New York and other branches.

  If you check the line on the 2015 UK financial report, that details the foreign currency gains, the amount reported is $3,053,415. That is just from moving money around internationally. Money made from simply making a "donation" from one country to another.

  The WTS has been using Germany as an "inflow"/"outflow" entity for years. In 2013, the org received money from Germany, and then in 2014, they moved money to Germany.

  According to the OP, in 2014/15, they claim that the UK branch received 12 million in "grants" from Germany. But they fail to mention the money/goods that was moved back to Germany in the same period.

  It is all money games. International movement of $$$
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  Jehovah's Witnesses get support from .... the Catholic Church?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in this article on newsweek:.

  http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-russia-catholic-593082.

  catholics are concerned about their religion being discriminated as well in russia.

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  OrphanCrow

  pale emperor: I wonder if the GB will acknowledge the Catholic church's support?
  Nah!!

  Haha! just like they did when Applewhite took the stand in their defense at the ARC.

  Heh. The Catholic Church probably owes the GB one after that dismal performance.