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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Ruby: i honestly think blood medicine will be replaced by other methods eventually

  Can you expand on that? What do you mean by that? And....why do you think that?
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  what is the craziest book the dubbers ever published?

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?

  i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?

  also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.

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  The Finished Mystery is the brainchild of a self-proclaimed demon possessed person (and his sidekick). The book certainly reflects that insanity.

  That book, however, spawned a whole genre of craziness in the form of a magazine series - the Golden Age magazine. For a trip down the rabbit hole of historical madness and quack science/medicine, just read some of those old gems.

  https://archive.org/search.php?query=Golden%20Age%20magazine
  
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  BBC Programme Re. Contaminated Blood - Dub Blinkers

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08qhmhc/panorama-contaminated-blood-the-search-for-the-truth.

  an experienced j w of my acquaintance , who had best be nameless, urged me to watch this t v programme because it "proves the society were right all along in warning of the dangers of blood.. well, yes , it does in a way demonstrate that the potential dangers of blood products was not fully recognized.

  in particular this is shown in respect of the aids/hiv virus which was a new threat when it occurred.. there were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :.

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  Bluesbrother: There were some important points deliberately ignored by my dub associate , though :
  1) this happened decades ago. A solution was quickly found and the problem should have been minimised . The scandal is the slowness of remedial action and the cover-up.
  2) The subjects of the programme had received Factor Eight for Haemophilia . This serum was allowed by the WTS at the time (as a conscience matter) and ,of course still is today.
  3) The current version of the Advance Medical Document ,the "Blood Card", does not even allow for the total abstainer. It just states that as a J W you refuse blood, and the main four components . No choices , just sign it and give The Secretary a copy....
  So this means that if such a risk should still occur again, Jehovah's Witnesses are just as much in danger as anybody else. Watchtower policy does not protect them. Yet still I hear the statements from individuals about how much they are protected by being "in the Truth".
  What is the matter ?Are they blinkered?

  Yes, they are blinkered. Or, more likely - blindfolded.

  The WT has put a quasi scientific spin on their so-called religious doctrine on blood for so long now that even the legal and 'outside' medical community has been blinkered. And blindsided.

  The so-called blood doctrine has changed and evolved in exactly the same ways that the bloodless industry (now evolved into "patient blood management") has demanded it to change. The parameters of the blood doctrine match, not the Bible from which the WT claims it comes from, but, rather, the parameters of Patient Blood Management. With one crucial difference. The JW patient cannot have that life-saving transfusion if they bleed out uncontrollably.

  I wish I could find the source and quote of what I am about to say - but it is alluding me at the moment. The one single industry that profited the most from the HIV/AIDS blood scandal was the bloodless industry (I know I have the source for this somewhere...). That is the industry that made the most money from contaminated blood.

  And where the seed money for that industry come from? Well...I think we all know the answer to that. For those of you who don't, this is a quote from Scott Carney's The Red Market (pg 235):

  ...certain religious groups - most notably Jehovah's Witnesses - were opposed to any sort of blood transfusion. Over the years the complete lack of demand among these people led to private investment and eventually to great strides forward in the field of bloodless surgeries. At first doctors wasted blood in order to gain more surgical sophistication; however, when they could not extend the benefits of routine procedures to everyone, the prohibition of blood use created a boom in technologies that reduced blood loss across the board.

  Private investment? Of course - wealthy and speculative Jehovah's Witnesses. Profiting off the blood ban. Profiting from the HIV/AIDS tainted blood scandal. Someone somewhere made a LOT of money from investing in the bloodless industry. And I bet that whoever they were/are, make large donations to the WTS. (California investment in the "pioneer" of bloodless surgery - hospitals and insurance programs - owned by JWs...etc, etc)

  And about that "boom in technologies". The technology that the so-called bloodless industry relies on would not exist if not for blood transfusion technology. The entire bloodless industry is built on the back of existing blood technology - without blood transfusions, there would be no bloodless surgery.

  So, how does that fit into the notion that Jehovah doesn't want people to share blood? Did he just sit up there watching all those poor misguided people having blood transfusions and then said..."Oh look! That blood transfusion technology - that thing I told my people not to do - is something that people can use now to avoid blood sharing! Yay! My JWs are so smart - they can now show the world how smart they have been all along!" (and just think of the profits that can be donated to Jehovah).
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  (damn...edit button is gone)

  And, furthermore, would the parents be held responsible, if, after keeping that secret and not reporting it, the son went out and committed a third murder.

  Are the parents responsible for the third murder?
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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  RO: And I know that I am going to be accused of being heartless. But to illustrate. Let's say that your a grown adult and you happen to move back and live with your parents after you got out of prison for murdering someone. Then you go out and murder someone else, should your parents be held legally liable for you murdering someone else? No, they are not. You're a fully grown adult where they have limited authority over even though you may live with them. Now if your parents gave you a gun and said I really hate that person I wish someone would kill them then that would be a different story. Now morally would they still be culpable over you committing a second murder, either way, that is up for each person to decide, but that is not what the law is.

  Your illustration is incomplete.

  To make a fair comparison, let's say that the parents, after they found out that their son murdered someone again, decided that they weren't going to tell the police. In fact, they weren't going to tell anyone - what would the neighbors think? So, they kept their son's secret.

  Now, tell me...are the parents culpable in their son's murder? Are they "accessories after the fact"? Have the parents, by not telling the authorities about the murder, committed a crime themselves?
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  A petition in Russia for transforming a Kingdom Hall into a cultural space for young musicians.

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone in russia is paying attention to the jw property seizures.

  this is a petition started in russia for transforming a kingdom hall into a cultural space for young musicians.. the petition is in russian so i have copied the google translate here:.

  please mark out space for the development of musical creativity among young people!shtanko eugene - pechora, russiaapril 20, 2017 the supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of jehovah's witnesses in russia" and banned its operation.

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  Yeah, Darksp....I saw the "100" number and thought it looked strange.

  Who knows? This could be a petition started by an exJW in Russia and not really representative of a community at all.

  But, I do think it is a great idea. Just think of what a community could do with the nice, wide open space interior of a KH. I am thinking 6x12 snooker tables would fit quite nicely in them.
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  A petition in Russia for transforming a Kingdom Hall into a cultural space for young musicians.

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone in russia is paying attention to the jw property seizures.

  this is a petition started in russia for transforming a kingdom hall into a cultural space for young musicians.. the petition is in russian so i have copied the google translate here:.

  please mark out space for the development of musical creativity among young people!shtanko eugene - pechora, russiaapril 20, 2017 the supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of jehovah's witnesses in russia" and banned its operation.

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  DoubtingBro: Didn't one of the videos at the RC last year have a kid who decided to give up his dream of being a professional musician so he could pioneer or some such nonsense? Pretty ironic if that's the case.

  That is exactly the video I thought of when I saw this petition. How ironic that a defunct KH might become a home to young aspiring musicians just like that JW child. The JW child who couldn't pursue his dreams because he might come in contact with non-JWs if he continued studying music.

  dsp: quite fascinating - it really shows them up doesn't!!

  I was quite fascinated with a personal story I read on a Russian forum. An exJW told of working on KH builds in Russia and about how they had to pretend to not be JWs while they were on site. They had to wear raggedy clothes and carry a pack of cigarettes in their pockets. If anybody was watching them, they would stop and pull out their smokes and stick one in their mouth. And, if anyone asked what was being built, it was never a building for religious purposes - it was a billiard hall or something else equally acceptable to the building code.

  It wouldn't surprise me if some of the KHs in Russia were originally built as something else (by a local JW, of course) and then, after construction was complete, the JWs would buy it from the "owner" and convert it to a meeting place.

  Of course, I am speculating...but it would be interesting to know the in's and out's of the WTS' Russian shenanigans. They did get into hot water a few years back for dumping toxic waste into the Gulf of Finland. And...if I have interpreted google translate correctly...some of the property that the WTS purchased in Russia was...tada! a toxic waste dump.
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  Huffington Post: When Is A Religion 'Extremist'? [Food for thought!]

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98.

  tim rymel, m.ed.. governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.. 05/06/2017 11:27 am et | photo – flickr/ justin kern .

  government endorsement of any religious ideology creates religious extremism.

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  orphancrow you make no sense by saying the violence is internal - what is that even supposed to mean?

  It means that the org coerces the members to inflict violence upon themselves.

  Socially passive violence in the sense that the violence is directed towards themselves - deliberately directed internally (internally in the sense that the violence is carried out within the insular society of JWs and internally in that it is the individual JWs who suffer the violence of both persecution and dying for the blood doctrine). The individual instigates the violence that others do to them - in the name of the organization.

  The perfect martyr.
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  Huffington Post: When Is A Religion 'Extremist'? [Food for thought!]

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98.

  tim rymel, m.ed.. governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.. 05/06/2017 11:27 am et | photo – flickr/ justin kern .

  government endorsement of any religious ideology creates religious extremism.

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  The government in Russia is telling its people their thoughts are now illegal.

  No. Their behavior is illegal.

  Acting on their thoughts is illegal in Russia. Spreading their thoughts is illegal.

  * "You pick up one end of the stick and you pick up both ends." What do you mean by this? I have no idea what you mean
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  Huffington Post: When Is A Religion 'Extremist'? [Food for thought!]

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98.

  tim rymel, m.ed.. governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.. 05/06/2017 11:27 am et | photo – flickr/ justin kern .

  government endorsement of any religious ideology creates religious extremism.

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  OrphanCrow

  Fuck you! (not literally you but anyone telling me what group I can or cannot join)

  Nobody is telling you that. Go ahead and do whatever you want.

  No problem in joining whatever group you want to and believing whatever you want to allow to knock around inside your head.

  Do it. Join. Believe. Act.

  And then deal with the consequences.