Posts by OrphanCrow

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Can we talk confidentially?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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the lot video shows what most elder’s offices are like.

actually it a pretty well-equipped one and with the video context is, without a doubt, org-approved.

but let’s face it.

OrphanCrow

BluesBrothers: ...a quiet coffee shop

A noisy one is better. Background noise makes it more difficult for a sneaky elder to decide to "get a second witness" in the form of a voice recording. Jus' sayin'...

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Visiting Japan and saw one of those Carts. What is the purpose of those book carts for the borg?

by adjusted knowledge in

i'm in japan for three weeks visiting my sister-in-law and brother.

the people are so polite and i came across two female jw using the cart.

it is the same experience i noticed back in the states.

OrphanCrow

Brooklyn Brothers SignWorks

Who We Are
Brooklyn Brothers SignWorks is a small sign services business owned by brothers that serves local businesses and enterprises. Our commercial website is located here: www.brooklynsignworks.com
Where Public Witnessing Started
Brooklyn was the birth place of Public Witnessing! It all started here and expanded throughout the city. Prototype equipment and signs were tested in New York City where over 8 million people travel every day of the week. Later, public witnessing was expanded worldwide. What a joy and privilege that all publishers can now participate in public witnessing that is organized locally in your congregation!
All prints are high-resolution and goes through an 8 step professional process by hand. We understand that the high-quality appearance dignifies the message you preach. We understand how it needs to be done! OUR GOAL is to help by making it simple and easy as possible to obtain the best quality signs for public witnessing at a fraction of what others charge. Customer service is our #1 priority, so that you can make field service your priority.

$$$$$ to be made. What a joy and privilege it is to spend money on changing those literature stand promotions all the time! No need to worry about the literature - all provided free of charge! But...those signs and posters...dig deep - it is called the new and improved donation arrangement.

No longer able to charge for the literature? What? No more easy stream of money coming in from the publishers? Time to give them something else to spend their money on...tada! Literature cart signs. And make them changeable - a new promotion every once in a while will keep those sign orders coming in. Don't forget to donate back!

*edit to add:

Just been doing some simple math...

Special promotions/events generate huge $$$ in literature cart signage

Convention 2017 - a simple 18x24" sign costs $20-25.

https://www.publicwitnessing.info/product/convention-2017-horizontal-large-copy/

The org boasts that there are over 165,000 carts worldwide.

Let's say that each cart goes the cheap route and buys a $20 sign. That translates to $3.3 million. Just for the one cheap little sign. Which is almost pure profit for the company printing them. Once the set up is done, the print run is pennies. Maybe that is how the org dumped out some of their printing equipment. The literature stands are the reason d'etre for the defunct literature - and a way to keep printed material viable as well as create a huge spin off, guaranteed, support business in providing that turnover of literature carts signage for all those "special events", etc

And don't forget the 'literature stands' and store fronts that require rotating signage

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Visiting Japan and saw one of those Carts. What is the purpose of those book carts for the borg?

by adjusted knowledge in

i'm in japan for three weeks visiting my sister-in-law and brother.

the people are so polite and i came across two female jw using the cart.

it is the same experience i noticed back in the states.

OrphanCrow

The org does business in China. Carts are manufactured in China.

Carts are a capital expenditure. This may reflect positively on the org's tax returns. Are there depreciation benefits?

And just think of all the spin off business for those JWs who supply all the bells and whistles for the carts:

http://precisionsignsnc.com/public_witnessing.html

http://jw-supplies.com/

https://pdh.ca/cart-witnessing-cart-signs-jw-org.html

http://jwcartposters.com/

https://publicwitnessingsigns.com/

https://www.vastdesign.com/public_witnessing_signs.php

http://www.graphics4jw.com/

http://candhbookbinding.com/Public-Witnessing-Cart-Signs-1-c480/

https://www.literaturecart.com/pages/about-us

https://pdh.ca/for-kingdom-halls/public-witnessing-cart-signs.html

http://www.jwimprints.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=24

http://www.publicwitnessingartwork.com/

https://www.whcartsigns.com/

https://jensensigns.wufoo.com/forms/m6pkiuz1eql9hd/

https://www.wcanfield.co.uk/posters/magnetic-posters/

http://ma8434.wixsite.com/graphics4jw/_p/prd2/2807245861/product/plastic-cart-cover

http://kingdomprintsllc.org/products/free-sample

http://publicwitnessingsigns.com.ourssite.com/

https://www.publicwitnessing.info/

etc, etc, etc.........

So. Let me guess. Would any of those companies, that sell the supporting material for those cart frames from China, have a spot on their tax returns for non-taxable donations to charities? By donating to the WTS/org? I wonder how much donation$ the org gets from these spin off businesses.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

You are welcome, Possum. It is difficult to stay on top of where blood research is actually at.

Finkelstein: ...added that the blood did not come from a dead human being as in the original conception and understanding

Actually, that is a wee bit incorrect, Finklestein. The "original conception and understanding" had nothing at all to do with human blood. The directive from "Yahweh"/Moses/priests concerned animal blood. A dead animal. Not a dead human. Or live human, for that matter.

It was not human blood that was either to be "put on the altar" or "poured upon the ground". It was animal blood that was used for sacrificial rites. Like cow's blood. Which, according to that old scriptural directive, was to be poured on the ground. Not collected and processed into blood for "god's chosen people".

Jake: So, you can take blood as a witness and say that it was only a blood fraction and remain in good standing.

Uh...no. And yes. It depends.

It depends on whether the WTS says you can or not. And, only WT "approved" fractions allowed.

The WT controls which blood fractions the JW population can use and when. "Minor blood fractions". Another WT bloodspeak phrase. Only the WT calls fractionated blood components "fractions" and only they call those components "minor".

Those "minor blood fractions" are what some psychologists would term a "small favor". It is one of the techniques that a captor will use on their victims to get them to be compliant and to "turn" them. Make them loyal to their captor. This has happened in hostage taking situations. A prisoner is deprived on something basic and essential. And then, the captor "gifts" a tiny amount of what is being held back. This cements an emotional contract between the prisoner and the captor - the prisoner is grateful for small favors and in turn, becomes loyal to the one who captured them.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

darkspliver: Sorry, I didn't post it for you to read.

Oh...please don't apologize. I didn't mean that your posting the story wasn't wanted or needed. I hope other people read it. Phil's story should be shared.

Thanks for posting it. It is relevant.

Vidiot: So basically, "bloodless" surgery actually requires blood.
Which makes the term "bloodless" essentially meaningless.

Yes. "Bloodless" surgery/medicine is a misnomer. A made up created term that the WT has exploited and misrepresented in order to give the impression that "bloodless" means "not using blood".

Not true.

"Bloodless" actually refers to the creation of a bloodless surgical field. The term was first used by surgeons such as Denton Cooley but it did not mean "without blood transfusions". It meant that the heart was drained of blood and became bloodless - therefore making it accessible to surgical procedures. That was back in the early 60s. Incidentally...right before the WTS made taking a blood transfusion a disfellowshipping offense (1961).

The WTS, and their affiliated medical "professionals", appropriated the term "bloodless", along with all the blood transfusion technology developed up to that point, and promoted the heart and lung procedure for surgery other than heart surgeries. Voila! The birth of the WT's so called "bloodless" surgery. That uses blood transfusion technology and blood products/fractions. To creat a bloodless patient.

Bloodless? No. The patient is bloodless - the procedure itself is anything but bloodless.

Watchtower bloodspeak. Deceptive and misleading. Intentionally.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

Darkspliver, Phil's story - and many others like him - is what exposes that underbelly of the no blood world that the WT doesn't talk about.

The media is full of the fluff press releases that appear from time to time that extol the miracles of someone surviving a no blood procedure or something like that. And medical studies analyze case reports of JWs to determine "How Low Can you Go?" to get baseline measurements of death.

And mortality rates are compared (with poor methods of analysis) but morbidity is ignored. What is almost never spoken about is the increased suffering and increased pain that accompanies no blood options. Contrary to what people would expect, death (and sometimes survival) from blood refusal is long and painful. Not a happy way to endure what is already a horrible condition.

I know this personally. When I was 6 years old, my uncle was diagnosed with brain cancer. It was an operable tumor. Except it wasn't because of blood refusal. It was a long and painful year - my uncle was buried just before my seventh birthday. A horrible year of pain and suffering - because of refusing blood.

That is why I didn't have to read Phil's story, Darkspliver. I am happy he survived. My uncle didn't. And I watched him die. Slowly. When I was six years old.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: Personally, I suspect the fraction justifications that started out back in the 90s were really the Org's fumbly attempts to explain why many blood-related treatments (like Hemopure) had already been allowed, in response to some of the smarter rank-and-filers out there asking "why?"...

Of course. That is the history of the shifting blood doctrine.

Almost all of the "now allowed" procedures/blood products etc that have been officially published in WT literature, have been preceded by those procedures/products already being used for sometimes years before reaching that "approved" status.

For example, it was in the 90s (94?) that the WT finally approved acute normovolemic hemodilution and yet the medical literature has many cases of JWs who were having that procedure long before the WT approved/admitted it. The same with cell salvage machines.

Most WT approved procedures are simply admitted procedures. When they have to. Or when they want to brag /promote a procedure or product.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

TD: The idea that "fractions" are no longer blood is unique to a loose knit group of dull witted internet apologists and is not actually the position taken by the JW parent organization.

That could be.

That is why the WT's blood doctrine is so dangerous. They have inconsistently applied an ancient directive to a group of people while at the same time, have used that doctrine to manipulate, and profit from, medical research that their "doctrine" has fostered.

It is not surprising that some JWs, the true believers who need a "logical" explanation for something that is so illogical, come up with convoluted reasoning to make the WT seem reasonable. They have to. The WT has forced them into that position.

If the "parent" WT does, then, acknowledge that "blood fractions" are still blood....then why is there a no blood doctrine at all? Why is blood still "banned"? Why do they still say that they refuse blood transfusions when they don't? Why don't they be honest and say..."we don't refuse blood transfusions...we just use special kinds of blood, and the special parts of blood"?

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

pubsinger: Ask a JW if it's ok to be a blood donor? No blood fractions can be obtained without blood donation.

It isn't just "blood fractions" that rely on a donor pool.

So-called "artificial blood" also uses donor blood.

Polyheme, approved by the WT (arranged by the HLC through "compassionate use"), is derived from expired human blood. The hemoglobin is removed, stored, processed, and turned into a manufactured blood product. And used on JW patients.

Hemopure (now known under different names) is a bovine blood product. Made from the blood of donor cows. Herds of cows are raised in carefully controlled environments (apparently), and when they are slaughtered, their blood is drained, collected, cooled, and then processed to remove the hemoglobin. From that, WT approved "artificial" blood is made. And transfused into the veins of that "fraction" of the Jehovah's Witness community that will accept the added risk of using that kind of blood - animal blood that was not spilled upon the ground.

Donate blood? Of course not. The JW community just sucks the blood of the world - in whatever form the WT tells them to - processed blood. They don't avoid blood - they avoid giving blood. They won't share their blood.

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A JW explains Blood Fractions

by OrphanCrow in

i was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.

"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.

"fractions" implies tiny amounts).

OrphanCrow

Something I forgot to say about clotting factors.

The information I posted about how those factors are made/sourced, comes from a hemophilia organization.

However, those clotting factors are also used in surgical procedures. Especially so for Jehovah's Witnesses who elect "bloodless" procedures. Those fractions of blood, that help the blood to clot, are essential to bloodless surgery.