Posts by OrphanCrow

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Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts

by darkspilver in

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in newcastle town centre.

uk.. the chronicle live.

15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.

OrphanCrow

freddo: ...if it had been stated in the newspaper article that a person or people had been injured or killed I don't think "anyone" (*) who generally posts on your forum would have gloated over it or gleefully made a joke of it.

I agree with you, Freddo.

When I first read the story, the scenario made me chuckle - sort of like a slap stick comedy where a fat drunk guy runs a sweeper into a poor unsuspecting JW cart - literature flying all over the place. And the drunk fat guy just going about his business finding more booze...leaving the dead literature cart in ruins...It made me chuckle in the same way that low comedy occasionally does.

Then, I double checked the article, sort of kicking myself for laughing at a tragedy that may have hurt someone. I read it carefully again before I posted. I didn't want someone to think I was an insensitive person that would joke about somebody getting hurt. (*edit to add - that is actually the really funny part - of course the sweeper didn't hit anybody - there is never anyone around those carts)

And then I read Simon's comment and I admit that his reaction startled and rattled me a bit. But...it is the internet and it is really easy to react before thinking and just do a knee jerk reaction based on preconceived notions, so I am okay with it...no problem, as least on my part. All is good

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Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

in newcastle town centre.

uk.. the chronicle live.

15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.

OrphanCrow

Sorry, Simon. I read the article but I missed the part that said that people were hit and their family were hurt. My apologies. My reading comprehension was lacking there and my sarcasm button was working overtime.

I will offer a prayer for condolences for those who were hit and for their families. And for the cart.

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Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

in newcastle town centre.

uk.. the chronicle live.

15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.

OrphanCrow

One of Jehovah's chariots is in the news yet again.

Can we not see Jehovah's hand in this? Oh yes indeed. He works in mysterious ways, he does, he does...

What a fine witness

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BBC Medical soap features JWs and blood.

by scotsman in

tonight's episode of holby city on bbc 1 starts a jw narrative that explores family estrangement and the blood issue.

the outcome is explored again in a couple of weeks and is pretty favourable to the jws..

OrphanCrow

Geez. You would think that all those millions of hours of "preaching work" would be more effective, wouldn't you?

And besides, all the script writers had to do was google jw blood doctrine and get it straight from the horse's mouth.

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The Rank Hypocrisy of JW Rank and File

by steve2 in

wtf?

russian jw mr novik is shown in full view on jw org wearing the "parental glory" badge with its prominent cross pattee on his lapel - and not one word of caution is sounded.

similarly, jw forums are abuzz singing the praises of mr and mrs novik and their brood after they received the parental glory honor from no less than jw-oppressor, mr putin.. from the stinking gb heaven all the way down to the dusty rank and file, the hypocrisy is sky-high.

OrphanCrow

gorbatchov: My brother in law concluded, "now, we will win the appeal"

Lol!

How ridiculous and naive.

This medal fiasco will have no bearing whatsoever on the appeal. The only thing that the org can appeal the Supreme Court ruling on are procedural matters. There is zero chance of this medal ceremony being allowed into the appeal process. Zero. Nada.

The org cannot introduce new evidence. They cannot challenge the Supreme Court ruling itself - they can challenge the court on the procedural points of the court hearing. That is all. The only way the ruling can be overturned is if it can be proved that the court did not follow procedure.

.... irrational nonsense

Irrational indeed. It is right up there with the letter writing campaign. Foolish nonsense.

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My medal message

by wheelwithinwheel in

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sent the following to my jw friends and contacts.

thought you might enjoy the read!.....

anyone who is willing to have 8 kids deserves a medal!.

OrphanCrow

Of course, darkspliver. But, I think it is equally important to not get bogged down in "Putin gave an award to a JW family!"

It is important to not be of the impression that the family passively received this award. They didn't get a congratulations! letter in the mail and then have to face a decision as to whether to accept it or not based on their "christian conscience". That had already been addressed at the time the JW father picked up his pen and filled in the application form.

The family chose to apply, the Russian authorities did not chose them...they chose them once the family entered into competition for the award and met the qualifications to receive it.

It isn't like..."oh look at jehovah's hand in this!" It is more like...oh look! A Russian JW family applied for (and met the qualifications for) a medal and financial award from the Russian government.

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My medal message

by wheelwithinwheel in

jw
friends

sent the following to my jw friends and contacts.

thought you might enjoy the read!.....

anyone who is willing to have 8 kids deserves a medal!.

OrphanCrow

Think it would be safer to send it to the Governing Body, to be put in the glass case with the Telly awards.

That is exactly where the Noviks' medals belong.

The Russian JW family were awarded their honor and glory as a result of applying for the award, exactly the same way the org got their Telly award.

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Putin presents the Order of Parental Glory to a Russian Jehovah's Witness family

by OrphanCrow in

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http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54643.

presenting the order of parental gloryon the eve of international children’s day, vladimir putin presented the order of parental glory to parents of large families.

the recipients included families from astrakhan and yaroslavl regions, the republics of karelia, buryatia, north ossetia-alania, perm and primorye territories, and khanty-mansi autonomous area – yugra.the order of parental glory was established by a presidential executive order signed in may 2008 and is awarded to parents (or adoptive parents) raising 7 or more children and ensuring due care for their health, education, and physical, spiritual and moral development.

OrphanCrow

ds: Besides I understood that you needed SEVEN children minimum for the award, NOT just six

Yeah, it's a bit confusing.

From what I understand, there is a Medal of Order of Parental Glory that a family can apply for once they have 4 children. The medal is given to those families that qualify along with a financial award.

It is when a family has seven children and over that they can apply for admission into the Order of Parental Glory, to receive a medal along with a financial award.

The Novik family would have went through an application process to receive their medal and $. They would have initiated the award (or someone did it for them) by applying for it.

Sort of like the Telly Awards - it is given to those who ask for it.

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Putin presents the Order of Parental Glory to a Russian Jehovah's Witness family

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54643.

presenting the order of parental gloryon the eve of international children’s day, vladimir putin presented the order of parental glory to parents of large families.

the recipients included families from astrakhan and yaroslavl regions, the republics of karelia, buryatia, north ossetia-alania, perm and primorye territories, and khanty-mansi autonomous area – yugra.the order of parental glory was established by a presidential executive order signed in may 2008 and is awarded to parents (or adoptive parents) raising 7 or more children and ensuring due care for their health, education, and physical, spiritual and moral development.

OrphanCrow

Ah...that is an update from what was published earlier. This is what it first said:

https://jw-russia.org/news/17060606-176.html

The family of Jehovah's Witnesses took the order from the hands of the head of state
May 31, 2017 in Moscow, at a meeting in the Kremlin, the president handed Valery and Tatiana Novik, Jehovah's Witnesses from Karelia, the Order of "Parental Glory". At the awarding ceremony was also attended by all six children Novikov.
The Order is awarded to parents of large families, who are setting an example to strengthen the institution of the family and the upbringing of children, form a socially responsible family and lead a healthy lifestyle, provide a full and harmonious development of personality of children, a high level of care for their health, education, physical, spiritual and moral development.
In reply, referring to the spiritual and moral development of children, Valery Novik quoted text from the Bible, which serves as a reference for it, both for the parents: "Train up a boy on the right path; he will not depart from it, even when you are old "(Proverbs 22: 6).

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Putin presents the Order of Parental Glory to a Russian Jehovah's Witness family

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54643.

presenting the order of parental gloryon the eve of international children’s day, vladimir putin presented the order of parental glory to parents of large families.

the recipients included families from astrakhan and yaroslavl regions, the republics of karelia, buryatia, north ossetia-alania, perm and primorye territories, and khanty-mansi autonomous area – yugra.the order of parental glory was established by a presidential executive order signed in may 2008 and is awarded to parents (or adoptive parents) raising 7 or more children and ensuring due care for their health, education, and physical, spiritual and moral development.

OrphanCrow

Thanks darkspliver. I missed that. I had read the jw-russia org site that claimed six children.

My mistake.